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  Do you still read the bible?

  by JH in

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  i don't read it anymore.. i figure that i know enough of it, without having to go back and read it again.

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  jaffacake

  Yes, from time to time I read from the New Testament, but very rarely the old, unless I'm after something specific.
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  My Story

  by witnessscorn in

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  thanks for the responce i got about hereing my story.. i have never used a discussion forum before, so i just figured out that you responded to my message about hearing my story.. here goes.

  but i worn you it's long.. i was raised around the religion, parants baptized when i was seven.

  they were very strict, as were the elders in the congregation.

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  Hi

  Thanks for sharing your story (short version). I'm sure it will help others as well as yourself to talk about it.

  My only advice is to keep unlearning that falsehood you've been 'fed'. But take it one step at a time. You will get support from some great folks on this discussion board. Take care and please stick around.
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  A long Rant.....And a new beginning

  by mandivided in

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  hey everyone,.

  my name is joe.

  i've been a lurker for a while and just registered today.

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  jaffacake

  A Warm Welcome Joe,

  Pour one for me!

  I was never a JW but lost my lifelong friend to the borg last year.

  Great to have you aboard!
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  To Those Who 'Believe' In 'Jesus'.

  by SpannerintheWorks in

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  tell me, what is it that happens to you when you ' know' you have the 'holy spirit'?

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  jaffacake

  you wanting a Jaffa cake Skyman?

  Hey Q, no need to get personal...

  My thoughts on Spanner's question:

  Do you believe in love at first sight? It didn't happen like that for me and my wife - we fell in love over time. Other people may experience love at first sight (although lust at first sight may be far more common).

  As for the holy spirit, some people speak of dramatic experiences, but these are in the minority. Others experience conversion as a process, like Timothy who seems to have come to the faith gradually through the influence of a Christian home.

  I don't like the phrase born again when used in a superior way, as if the majority of Christians who turn to Christ more gradually are somehow spiritually inferior. That would seem unChristian to me and to hopefully to be avoided.

  I don't believe only Christians have such experiences, that we call the Holy Spirit, it is perhaps above all a new way of looking at the world, and ourselves. The first thing to begin to dissolve is perhaps much of the judgementalism, but this is a journey which must continue throughout life.

  Just thinking out loud as usual.
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  GOOD LUCK DENMARK!!!!

  by LDH in

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  now the hot heads are calling for destruction of your country.

  i guess we will see if you are as 'peace-loving' as you say you are--once these nuts begin to assualt your citizens.

  they've already stormed the danish embassy in indonesia.. http://yahoo.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-02-03-muslimanger_x.htm?csp=1.

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  It seems to me that the most moderate Moslems tend to be more extreme than the most extreme believers in other world religions.
  The most liberal and reasonable Moslems seem to me to be on a par with fundamentalist Christians, for example. I'm sometimes tempted to become a Buddhist, or an athiest...hehe.
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  John 1:1 in Coptic Translation

  by slimboyfat in

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  apparently there has been quite a stir in jw apologetic circles recently about the translation of john 1:1 in the early sahidic version of john.

  i don't know if this has been discussed here before - if someone could give a link to a previous thread they know about on the subject that would be great.

  here is what i gather: .

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  slim
  Yes, I did have Lundquist in mind, which no doubt leads to the 'worst' conclusions for some.
  I haven't seen the other books you mention, I'll look them up, thanks.
  Yes I have read Gertoux, which is the worst book I have read in respect of this subject. I'll look out for Trobisch. I'm sure about the Ray Franz source - checked it before posting. But I know wghat you think of Franz. Many question Franz sources but no one sues people who allegedly forge Howard letters. btw its in ISOCF.
  I'll keep an open mind slim.

  btw my study was purely watchtower bibles - this was the clincher for me.
  
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  looking for new friends in TN

  by witnessscorn in

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  i'm looking for new frindes that know what i'm going thru and will not be judgemental.. i live in maryville tn.

  used togo to walland cong, then moved to maryville east.

  have been inactive for 6 to eight months.

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  jaffacake

  Welcome

  I'm in England but would still like to hear your story.

  Pleased to hear you know they do not have "the truth"
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  John 1:1 in Coptic Translation

  by slimboyfat in

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  apparently there has been quite a stir in jw apologetic circles recently about the translation of john 1:1 in the early sahidic version of john.

  i don't know if this has been discussed here before - if someone could give a link to a previous thread they know about on the subject that would be great.

  here is what i gather: .

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  Slim

  Jaffacake,

  I am not convinced those letters from George Howard are genuine. Howard's article, although presented as a 'theory', certainly supported the view that the tetragram was used in th NT, so it would have been very strange had the Witnesses not taken advantage of that. Besides, they have new support now from David Trobisch who also argues that the tetragram was originally used in the NT.

  You may be aware that Ray Franz reproduces actual photocopies of letters and articles in his books CofC and ISoCF. He does this because JWs always cast doubt on whether they are genuine. This is where I got the letter, and it has been the most reliable source I have ever found for authentic documents. I was prepared to reverse my beliefs on this if JWs could make their case (I abandoned my trinitarian beliefs due to JW studies led me to my own research). There is not another subject I've studied more than the Tetragram in the NT. The evidence, using only JW sources (NWT reference edition and the Kingdom Interlinear) which I bought specifically for this research, provides overwhelming evidence that the Tetragram was never in the Christian Greek Scriptures. The use of the name Jehovah never belonged in the NT, because the Tetragrammaton was never there, for a very good reason. Okay, so JWs may claim support from another 'expert'. Have you actually followed up the sources they quote? For example, on another subject (translation of parousia) they quote from a Greek lexicon in the NWT reference edition to support one translation. They don't tell the reader that they selected one sentence that appears to support the JW translation, but ignore the following 14 pages of the lexicon which explain precisely why the opposite is true. I can recommend a good study of the Tetragram which would allow you to work out the facts for yourself, rather than believe anyone.
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  Good Morning Apostates!!

  by Andy C in

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  ah, another fine day in apostaland.

  question of the day: what makes you think you are right?

  maybe you are headed down that broad and spacious road, something to think about.

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  Andy C

  Great to have you post

  So what made you post after long time lurking?

  Please stick around & tell us about you.
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  Christians - Do you believe the flood occurred?

  by AlmostAtheist in

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  when i was a bible believer, i accepted the flood.

  the frozen mammoths and seashells on mountaintops were "evidence", but the only needed proof was simply that the bible said so.

  as a christian, do you believe the flood story?.

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  jaffacake

  Flood story - God needs to clean the earth of the corruption and it has to be a total cleansing ( a baptism of the earth?) there isn't any space for a christian to honestly believe its saying anything local.

  Q. A strange assertion.

  But back to the question - I'm with leolai on this one, a couple of pages back.