Posts by cyborgVision

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is religon-bashing ok, and if yes, when?

by googlemagoogle in

today i read "doubtfully your's" comment on wiccans and i was shocked.

i wanted to reply immediately about tolerance and to respect another religion.

then i thought about him having a sister, smoking pot and presenting herself as pagan giving him some bad impression (prejudice?

cyborgVision

If it wasn't for criticism and critical thinking about religion we'd still have some form of inquisition today. If we are critical of politicians and governments why would we be any more lenient when it comes to religious institutions?
Having said that, I agree we should be respectful of other people beliefs whatever they are. One needs to make clear distinction between critical thinking about religion and criticizing beliefs for sole purpose of hurting someone. That's not cool.

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Where are you right this minute?

by coffee_black in

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i thought it might be interesting to see where everyone is...home...work...someplace interesting?.

i'm in the world trade center in boston, sitting looking out at boston harbor.

i have to do a presentation today at the build boston show... a tradeshow for architects and builders.

cyborgVision

I'm doing some research for my thesis, but this site is like a magnet, how do i resist it?

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are congregation revolving around mini-moguls or dynasties of elitist JW?

by cyborgVision in

in your experience, did you ever see congregation being revolved around clan-like, all-influential families?.

i don't know about your experiences, but in my personal experience and basically wherever i went i've seen congregation being influenced by mini dynasties of elitist jw.

in fact their influence goes far beyond of what you'd normally consider "spirituality" and branches down to some absolutely bizarre issues such as what type of car you should drive, what brand of clothing is "christian", what sort of barbeque is appropriate, even what cereal you should not buy since it supports "babylon the great", etc.

cyborgVision

In your experience, did you ever see congregation being revolved around clan-like, all-influential families?

I don't know about your experiences, but in my personal experience and basically wherever I went I've seen congregation being influenced by mini dynasties of elitist JW.

In fact their influence goes far beyond of what you'd normally consider "spirituality" and branches down to some absolutely bizarre issues such as what type of car you should drive, what brand of clothing is "Christian", what sort of barbeque is appropriate, even what cereal you should not buy since it supports "Babylon the Great", etc.

In this one congo that I used to visit when on holydays for example, as congregation they've shared facilities with another neighboring congregation. This meant that, as in other congregations with similar arrangement there would be revolving of meeting times to ensure fairness, i.e. say one year one congo has morning service and another one afternoon. Next year you'd switch, so that everyone has equal share of morning meetings.

Interesting, thing about this congregation was that elder's wife didn't like waking up in the morning as I later realized. And by the time I was there last time around they've had about 5 or 6 years of constant afternoon Sunday service, usually around 2:00 pm. Funny thing was they've always had a show of hands to pass resolution, but it was so obvious that everyone wanted to please this powerful elder. So you'd have about 80 % of congregation voting for afternoon, even though, and I'm convinced of that some of them absolutely detested afternoon service.

Another story that was related to me not long ago was that in this other congo powerful elder (and his wife, I would imagine) had idea to install close-circuit cameras in parking lot and funny thing was that out of about 100 publishers only one didn't vote for it and started asking questions before resolution was passed. Needless to say he was laughed down and basically silenced.

Which is also another question in itself, if resolutions are only a joke of free will or skillfully crafted maneuver whereby charismatic elder can decide anything he wants and then blame congregation if something goes wrong ,since - hey you've voted for it.

But let's first see this: are congregation revolving around mini-moguls or dynasties of elitist JW

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AJWRB

by Lee Elder in

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we have just published a newsletter for those who follow the blood issue.. it can be viewed here:.

http://www.ajwrb.org/newsletter/april-05.html

cyborgVision

I love your work Lee Elder, site is great, but is it making any dent? Is WT society paying any attention at all? On the other hand want to tell you, I know people whom your site helped a great deal in making the right choice in time of crisis. Just wanted you to know that.

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Your Most DREADED Dub Word

by GetBusyLiving in

i wanna hear the word that made you either physically nauseous or burst out in uncontrolable laughter.

please demonstrate it in a sentence as well.

mine was 'enthused' (my fingers were shaking as i typed).

cyborgVision

For me it was a scripture that had been pounded at every single meeting Hebrews 10:24, 25.

There are SOME among us that don't take meeting attendance seriously

Have mental problems - go to the meetings

Have serious health condition - go to the meetings

have a headache - go to the meetings it will heal

Got a flue - go to the meetings - you can use back room (never mind nursing mothers)

I'm about to deliver the baby - go to the meeting, then after you can do that too

But my water can break any moment - we've got toilet go to the meetings

Have nothing to wear - go to the meetings (actually this is real last time I was there I've heard elder saying "if you don't have proper suit, just come to the meetings in your overall and work boots" Wonder if anyone ever tested it latter, hmmm

Have marital problems - meetings will heal them

Unemployed? - go to the meetings, miracle might happen

can't pay my bills - go to the meetings (just don't talk to us about your financial problems it is sign of lack of faith)

Have problems finding husband or wife go to meetings. If can't find anyone there still go to the meetings

My car is broken down - go to the meetings

but I can't - go to the meetings

gee didn't know that everything is that simple, why do people even attend all those medical schools and universities if we can sort out everything by meeting attendance

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Interesting Chat with My Bro today

by Oroborus21 in

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ellis says:.

cyborgVision

Is this for real?

... and what does Mayan calendar have to do with WT society???

can someone enlighten me? Or was just your brother's opinion?

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A comment I heard tonight

by Generic Man in

tonight i heard one of the most cruel and twisted comments i've ever heard at the platform.

the topic was the apocalypse and whether or not children will be slaughtered.

through one side of his mouth, the po stated that the bible is not clear on the matter, while out the other side he pointed to all those old testament accounts where children were killed.

cyborgVision

First of all Schizm, you don't know me to make such a judgment call, you don't know who I am, how well informed I am, you know absolutely nothing about me to make such a swift judgment.

Secondly and this is so obvious that blind can see, you are using tactic "attack messenger and not the message" since you've never properly answered my question. (wonder if that is what you call "theocratic warfare")

You actually chose to attack me instead of giving an answer:

Do you actually think a CO would reveal something like this to a person like you, an individual who obviously has little ability to appreciate such things?

If you look carefully into what you write in most of your posts in this thread you will see that you are simply maneuvering around the issue to avoid direct and truthful answer.
My question to you was really simple and here it is again:

... so what you've just admitted here is that Governing Body doesn't trust anyone since I'm yet to meet CO or even higher ranking JW who knew the truth about NGO membership, let alone small publishers who by the way go through all the trauma and suffering for being JW unlike you asses in bethel homes, and you don't trust those people yet? what do they need to do to earn your trust?

Pleasuredome also summarized it well:
what schizm, the jw, is trying to say is that its ok for the WTS to lie, be two faced, caniving, deceitful and hypocritical. what's wrong with that?

Any honest hearted person would be disturbed by such allegations. Not trying to offend you but I don't see you are disturbed. On contrary, it seems you are taking pleasure in it. Rather strange don't you think?

And that about making me nervous along with everyone else:
Son, I've been to hell and back, and 90% of that was for the sake of thing you call truth. So if you want constructive conversation here I am, try me, but don't insult my intelligence nor assume that I'm afraid of you. You have absolutely no idea what I've lost because of watchtower society, so don't presume that you do, OK?

The only thing I can discern from your answers and the way you presenting your arguments is that you actually like making people nervous.
Have you ever stopped for a second and wondered if, say, apostle Paul would share in your attitude or Jesus for that matter.

And on another note most of the people you'll find here once loved "the truth" most were ready to lose their lives for it if needed (and many did) Most of people here suffered great deal because of it, many lost family members, possessions, jobs, carriers, educations, (need I contine?)
Many of them had to watch loved one die because they thought they would sin against god if they took organ transplant. Only to find out that watchtower reversed their view on the matter few years down the track. Same goes for the use of blood recycling machines, albumin, globulin and many other BLOOD products which were once strictly forbidden or you would face being disfellowshipped (and we all know what that meant, don't we?)

So before you come out here charging with your hot headed arguments perhaps try to reflect on what you are actually doing. If you are so convinced that what you have is actually THE TRUTH why not show Christ-like calmness and attitude while trying to present your case. Perhaps, just perhaps someone might listen. And you know what? That's the best you can hope for.

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A comment I heard tonight

by Generic Man in

tonight i heard one of the most cruel and twisted comments i've ever heard at the platform.

the topic was the apocalypse and whether or not children will be slaughtered.

through one side of his mouth, the po stated that the bible is not clear on the matter, while out the other side he pointed to all those old testament accounts where children were killed.

cyborgVision

One reason for that is because not every member of the "rank and file JW troops" can be depended upon to keep a secret.

Wow, how great is that Schizm, so what you've just admitted here is that Governing Body doesn't trust anyone since I'm yet to meet CO or even higher ranking JW who knew the truth about NGO membership, let alone small publishers who by the way go through all the trauma and suffering for being JW unlike you asses in bethel homes, and you don't trust those people yet? what do they need to do to earn your trust?
How idiotic is that, forgive my language, I usually don?t talk with this tone but such an attitude makes me sick.

Thanks for that. So much for "love believes all things" 1 Corinthians 13:6

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how close are humans to a world-wide power outage?

by doogie in

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warning-potential depression ahead!.

this is without a doubt, the most depressing article i've ever read.

yeah, i make a great saleman, huh?

cyborgVision

I don't think it is as far fetched as it may seem. I doesn?t mean though that humans can't do anything about it. In fact humans already did something about it about 80 or so year ago. And a person who did it was Dr. Nicola Tesla. When he died FBI stormed his hotel room and confiscated all his research papers, which haven't been made public to this day. Rumors are that Tesla was about to reveal completely free source of energy for everyone to use. In fact, at the time he even doubted Einstein's theory of relativity which NASA has just recently started to confirm how far Tesla actually saw.

Whether, we as public will ever benefit from it is another matter. And it is true, oil is running out. You don't hear it only from scientists but major business analysts are pointing the same. So it's not as far fetched as you might think it is.

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A comment I heard tonight

by Generic Man in

tonight i heard one of the most cruel and twisted comments i've ever heard at the platform.

the topic was the apocalypse and whether or not children will be slaughtered.

through one side of his mouth, the po stated that the bible is not clear on the matter, while out the other side he pointed to all those old testament accounts where children were killed.

cyborgVision

Schism, what an interesting "theocratic warfare", about which rank and file JW troops know nothing about, who are you kidding?