It isn't easy to put my finger on, but it had something to do with my sense of justice. I didn't see justice being done. Not in the bible, not in the kingdom hall. I couldn't reconcile with it.
Posts by ivy
-
43Your Struggle in the Truth.......
by ScoobySnax inmine was being gay.....and it was a huge load to carry...... (another story).
what was your struggle?.
scoob
-
-
-
16
WITHOUT EVEN HEARING
by tijkmo in.
what music would you buy as soon as it is released without having heard it before..you just know you are gonna love it.
my top 5. marillion.....sting.....u2.....counting crows.....alanis morrisette
-
-
ivy
That's hard. There are plenty of bands that I know I'm probably going to buy, but the Internet and iTunes makes it possible for me to always listen before buying. It's habit at this point. Also, so many of my favorites have eventually put out a bad album...Ani Difranco, Counting Crows. So from my jaded perspective, I would only buy unheard if I absolutely could not find sound clips online.
M. Ward
He is fantastic. More people should know about him.
-
23
Paradise is hell
by gringojj inmy wifes biggest fear at this point is what if sheis wrong about the wts and they are really right.
i told her even if they are right or wrong it doesnt matter.
reason is she knows she would be miserable if she joined them.
-
-
ivy
I agree that the "New System" I was raised to look forward to, now seems like a horrid place that I would never want to live in. Deciding that I would rather die then live forever in that place was certainly a step towards freedom from the borg, but I think that it is important not to get stuck in that phase (as I did). Choosing death over life is essentially suicide, and that's just not healthy.
gringojj, in addition to your line of reasoning here, please encourage your wife to learn more in hopes that her lingering fears will disappear in the light of reality. Don't let her make the same mistake I did.
I didn't really think the "Armageddon Survivor" was funny, or sad. Just terrifing. It reminded me of "A Handmaids Tale", one of my favorites. Thanks for sharing, Blondie. -
133
The saddest song you've ever heard
by littlerockguy inwhat is the saddest song that brings tears to your eyes just about every time you hear it?
mine is harry chapin's cats in the cradle
-
-
ivy
This post has made me terribly depressed, but I have to thank some of you for reminding me of songs that I had forgotten. "Wildfire" was a favorite of mine as a kid, and "Sorry Seems to be the Hardest Word" has collected dust inside of my ipod.
Love "Passive" too, but maybe we need a angriest song post.
In the movie "Mulholland Dr." there is a version of the Roy Orbison classic "Crying" done acapella in Spanish by Rebekah Del Rio. It tears me up. I would have to give it the "Saddest song in the world" vote.
Other runners up include:
Patti Smith - Pissing in a River
Ani Difranco - Dilate
Alison Krauss & Union Station - It Doesn't Matter
Stereophonics - Rainbows and Pots of Gold
Tears for Fears - The Hurting (The whole album) -
17
The more the Governing Body warnsabout the dangers of the Internet the wors
by frankiespeakin inthe more the governing body warns about the dangers of the internet the worse it gets.
i think they are going to keep going in the direction of more and more warnings until everybody in jwsville sees the light.
-
-
ivy
They have as much chance of stopping the use of the internet as they have getting everyone to give up their cars. Kids are required to use the internet in school these days. They must be terrified knowing that all that information is right there, just a click away.
I question how seriously JW's are taking the warnings though. My father is an elder, and he uses the internet on a regular basis. (I won't tell you what sites I pulled up in his cache, because that's between him and his god). I didn't even know that they were warning against it until I joined the forum. -
26
the reasons why we leave makes a difference...
by littletree ini have a dilemma (did i spell dilemma correctly?
): i am the only person i know, of any of my former witness associates, who left because i started doubting/stopped believing the teachings.
i did research on the internet, read books, talked to people from different religions, etc.
-
-
ivy
I am a walk away believer. Those teachings are buried deep down in me, and getting rid of them isn't just a matter of someone pointing out a few inaccuracies. It's going to take time.
My decision to leave was due to a problem with the way god behaves, not the jws. I guess you could call it a morality issue. It took me years to realize that I couldn't just go on that way, believing that god is going to strike me down at any moment. So I joined this forum, and now I am finally starting to think that just maybe the jws don't have everything correct, and just maybe, if there is a creator to this world he's not the evil force that I have so much anger against.
I don't have any friends that are exjw. My friends are all "worldly" and I have always envied them because they didn't carry around such a heavy burden. I wish I did have exjw friends who could have shared their doubts with me.
I think that Charisma's experience with the friend that subtley introduced doubts and ideas is what I would have wanted. No, you can't force your friends to change their beliefs, but you might be able to help them. -
11
Commencement Exercises ??
by IT Support inwe received the following card in the mail today from a young us friend:
the senior class of xx high school announces the commencement exercise <at time> <at place>... .
she also enclosed in the envelope a couple of pretty photos of herself.
-
-
ivy
Commencement Exercises are just the graduation ceremony. You sit in a big room, listen to someone give an inspirational speech or two about the exciting future ahead of these potential-filled teenagers and wait while every single name is called up to take their diploma.
It's about as fun as an assembly, although shorter.
The idea is that the graduate has reached a milestone in life and friends and family are invited to commemorate the event. -
11
Commencement Exercises ??
by IT Support inwe received the following card in the mail today from a young us friend:
the senior class of xx high school announces the commencement exercise <at time> <at place>... .
she also enclosed in the envelope a couple of pretty photos of herself.
-
-
ivy
I think it is an invitation, but concidering the distance I doubt that they expect you to show up. Custom would be to send a congratulations card with a bit of $$$.
-
17
i told em :)
by OklaXwitness in(check out my first post if u wanna know more about my situation).
well i waited till like 6 oclock my parents never came home so we just went to church i came back and we talked for like an hour and i was almost completely truthfull there was maybe one or two things i wasnt about but they were little anyway they know i have a girlfriend they know i went to the assembly of god last night i told em i didnt want to be a witness anymore they tryed saying that maybe i was crazy or i wasnt thinking straight anyway im going to thier meeting tonight so i can talk to the elders and probably get disfellowshipped :) and my dad said that the least i owe him is to let him study with me ive made it clear that i dont want to study but i luv my dad and i respect him so im going to let him.
it felt so good giveing up the double life i really dont wanna study but hes right i do owe him something
-
-
ivy
good luck okla,
It's a big step and you might have some tough times ahead. Many of us have been there. I remember it well. Know that we are here routing for you. -
17
Constant updates
by kwintestal inwhen you visit jw family, do you get bombarded by "updates" of what others are doing as jw's?.
i do and it takes everything i have to say what's really on my mind.... my dad just got back from a vacation visiting family.
i ask how so-and-so is doing ... "oh, they're great.
-
-
ivy
This happens to me quite often, and I have a nice technique to squelch the conversation. Being free from the "truth" gave me the freedom to start telling the truth; or the truths that no one else would say. Here is one real life example:
"{Insert name of married couple here} are doing great. They have three kids now."
And my response: "Really? You know when we were teens she used to say that she wasn't going to have any kids because she was afraid she would beat them like her parents beat her."
Now that's a conversation stopper.