Posts by Krystal

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don't ya think it's a rotten trick?

by zaphod in

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i've always thought that it was a rotten trick for god to create us with free will and then punish us for using it.. wha'd'ya think?

Krystal

I prefer to think of "punishment" as consequences...

If you put your hand in fire, you will get burned. To be honest, I dont think any of us are being punished by god... just "reaping what we sow"

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"I prayed for you"

by Scully in

if you aren't a "believer", does it bother you when someone says "i'll pray for you" or "i prayed for you"?.

one of my colleagues is an incredibly kind and sweet person, and i know she says it because she believes she's doing something good on my behalf.

i always say "thank you for thinking of me", because i know that's the spirit she's intending to convey and that she cares about the situation i'm in vis-a-vis my jw relatives, but she knows i no longer believe in god (at least not in the sense that she does) - i wonder does she think that a few prayers are going to change my mind?

Krystal

Why not respond, "Why, thank you very much. I will write your name in a chalk circle and sprinkle it with goats blood tonight. Many happy returns."

I am writing that in my little black book... I totally intend to use it!! LOL

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You have 24 hours to live - WHAT DO YOU DO?

by nicolaou in

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so some colossal asteroid is hurtling toward earth (preferably centered on brooklyn) and nobody can find bruce willis!

in 24 hours we all go the way of t.rex and his buddies.. how do you spend your last day of life?

Krystal

I would buy candles, chocolate and champagne... call up my bf and my gf...

The end of the world would hurt alot less if you are a little on the tipsy side!

(I hate to sound like a man... but I would want some serious sex...)

46

My story

by Chia in

i have posted this story before on some other boards, but after "lurking" for a long time here, i have finally decided to come out and tell my story.

it is really long, so i'm going to tell it in a few parts.

that way i can also tell if i'm boring everyone to death, haha!

Krystal

Hey!

New here myself! Your words were very interesting:

Did you have an orgasm? Did you engage in homosexual intercourse? From the front or behind?" It was awful. I didn't understand the need for these questions, I was stunned,

I had a very similar experience, the judicial committee I met with asked me the same kind of things... it was very ackward and embarassing.

Thank goodness it is over... now it is time to heal!

Ciao

54

What made YOU drop Christianity?

by GetBusyLiving in

after i read coc and left the dubs for a short while i considered myself christian.

the way franz explained it, all that is required is to have faith in jesus and to love your neighbor as yourself and then you will be 'saved'.

the more i started pealing away at the onion though the dumber the premise of someone dying for my 'sins' seemed, and i just lost faith in it altogether.

Krystal

I didn't fully drop it untill I started studying paganisim...

I guess paganisim just seemed more real... you can feel it, taste it, touch it. Christianity just seemed like such a ,,, myth?

(besides... I like being a witch!)

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who was DFd because of "immorality"?

by ShadowX in

seriously, just wondering.

they (dubs) say that most of us are booted 'cause of that.

i personally was but only because i was already out mentally and in every other sense.

Krystal

I was DF'ed for being un-repentant... what was my sin?

the "F" word... Fornication of course! lol

Although if I was on "trial" now there would be a long list:

-Smoking prohibited plants

-Speeding Excessively

-Homosexuality

-Fornication

-Idolatry

-Excesses of Wine

-Consulting a spirit medium

-Speaking out against the "Faithful and discreet slave"

... the list goes on and on!

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Did You Ever Think You'd No Longer Be A Witness?

by minimus in

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friends

did you ever dream that you'd be posting here too?

Krystal

I was a model witness in a model family.

I NEVER thought I would be here... not in a million years...

-Kristy

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Do You Know Of Malcontent ExJWs That Bitch About Life Because.....?

by minimus in

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friends

they were jws and blame everything on their jw past???

i know of people that never tried to get ahead or prosper themselves because they were witnesses.

never bought a house or a brand new car because they would rather rent and drive around in a jalopy that would break down.

Krystal

As painful as it was to leave being a witness, to be honest, I think there have been some positives...

1) I use my sales skills in my job... (it really helps)

2) I find going door to door when I was young gave me alot of confidence. I am not afraid to talk to "strangers" or to meet new ppl.

3) Because my parents wanted me studying early, I have read alot of books have a good vocabulary and speak publicly with ease.

I am constantly trying to think of what I learned as a witness; like things I would want to do the same or very differently.

Bad things happen to good people: I count myself lucky it wasn't worse...

~Krystal

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Have you conquered the indoctrination?

by Frog in

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friends

something i?ve wanted to ask you all for a while.

had you 100% denounced jw doctrine to yourself at the time of your leaving the org?

i know many have said that specific issues prompted them to leave i.e., wt membership in the un, silent lambs/child molestation policy, malawi political party card issues, inconsistent changes in doctrine i.e., 1975/1914 generation not passing?new light begets old light begets new light etc.

Krystal

Frog,

Daniel (the "worldly" man) was the first non-witness I ever loved. The more I loved him, the more I could not bear the thought of my life without him. Would I enjoy paradise if he wasn't there? Why didn't he deserve to be there too? Could I bear to let him get "destroyed"?

As an imperfect human, I could not bear to see him hurt... so how could a perfect, loving God destroy him?

This are the questions that started my journey. From there it just all fell apart.

It definetly hasn't been easy since I am so young. I moved out of my parents house and ceased all communication with them at 17. (at which time I was pregnent!!) I could have really used a mom to talk to for the past three years...

But you know, even having lost my biological/"spiritual" parents/family, I have gained others. Witnesses like to make you think that if you leave the nest that you will not find companionship like you will within the organization. Personally, I think it is the exact opposite...

The friends I have now are my friends because they like me NOT because they have the same beliefs and it is convient...or because the elders told them they have to be nice to me.

I just feel bad I couldn't bring my three sisters with me.

Of course, I think about all my family and friends often, but despite the hardship, I really believe I am better off out of the organization. (even if that makes me an orphan)

Besides... I love sleeping in on the weekends!!!

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Have you conquered the indoctrination?

by Frog in

jw
friends

something i?ve wanted to ask you all for a while.

had you 100% denounced jw doctrine to yourself at the time of your leaving the org?

i know many have said that specific issues prompted them to leave i.e., wt membership in the un, silent lambs/child molestation policy, malawi political party card issues, inconsistent changes in doctrine i.e., 1975/1914 generation not passing?new light begets old light begets new light etc.

Krystal

For the first 17 years of my life I was a witness... and unlike many of you, I did not leave because I disagreed with their doctrines/teachings. I left because I chose to be with the person I love. (Sucks for me... apparently that is not part of god's plan)

I have found it exceedingly difficult to "de-program" myself. I often find myself thinking.... "what if they are right?"

They have an done an excellent job of planting fear in my mind. I constantly remind myself of the rational explinations of exactly why they are not right. My family are very active witnesses; extremely devout, as was I. I haven't spoken to anyone related to me in over 3 years.

To be honest Frog, I am very releaved to hear you feeling the same thing. I also think it is normal, you cannot expect 15+ years of indoctrination to disappear overnight.

I think the thing that pops into my head the most is my grandfather. He passed away a couple of years before I left. I love him very much and I miss him very much. When he died, I had the logical witness response "You will see him again, he is just sleeping, he will wake up to paradise" The most difficult part, is that I have had to "greive again"... not knowing for sure exactly where he is and if I will ever see him again. It is times like that, I almost want to believe their easy solution; it would hurt less.

In answer to your question: NO. I have not conquered the indoctrination. But I am working on it.