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i wish all jehovah's witnesses in denmark, norway, sweden and finland a merry christmas, a happy new year and the wish that jehovah in 2002 will bless his organisation by even more decrease as in the past 12 years in denmark.. carlo

Carlo

Hi

I wish all Jehovah's Witnesses in Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland a merry christmas, a happy new year and the wish that Jehovah in 2002 will bless his organisation by even more decrease as in the past 12 years in Denmark.

Carlo

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Bethel experience

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hello brothers and sisters.

i'm a circuitoverseer.

i recieved this upbuilding experience to share with fellow witnesses.. -----------------------------------------------------------.

Carlo

Hello Brothers and Sisters

I'm a circuitoverseer. I recieved this upbuilding experience to share with fellow witnesses.
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I just returned from Manhattan last night at 10:30. Saundra Miller and I were volunteering at the Jacob Jarvis Center, the hub for volunteers and supplies to the disaster site. We had plenty of work to do, but more importantly, we were able to share information with many others from the May 22 Awake! "The New Look Of Terrorism". We did not simply place the magazines, we engaged people in meaningful conversations first. It was rewarding to be able to speak with several people with whom it would normally be difficult to share the Truth: doctors, psychiatrists, etc. Several people listened intently for long periods of time as we talked and reasoned with them from the Scriptures. Then we would work for a while longer sweeping or cleaning the area until another opportunity arose to talk with another volunteer. By the end of the day, we had placed all of our magazines.

According to a brother from Brooklyn who was at the Jacob Jarvis Center, the factory has printed additional lots of the May 22 Awake! which will be used amply to address peoples' questions during the aftermath of the disaster.

It was a fruitful and rewarding weekend among many needy people. Understandably, most people are mongering for justice and vengeance; however, we found with people who opened our conversations with urgings for justice or vengeance that is was best not to ignore such sentiments. Rather than ignore such feelings, we listened intently to them. Then after listening, we helped people recognize that justice is one of the principal attributes of God and thus He certainly acknowledges the appropriateness of vengeance. This type of reasoning lead on to explaining, more importantly, why justice is important to Jehovah when it is balanced with love and wisdom. From there we were able to redirect the conversations to where such love, wisdom, and justice are readily found today.

We found that this type of witnessing-via-listening was far more advantageous and rewarding than to simply preach at people during such a great need. At this time, they have strong, genuine feelings that need to be addressed, not ignored or discarded. Since the Bible clearly covers themes of justice and vengeance, there was no need to avoid these subjects as though they were unpleasant or "un-Christian". ALL of our conversations ended quite amiably, with people congratulating us for our clear understanding of the matter.

It goes without saying, we maintained absolute neutrality in our conversations, not siding or commenting on the raging, near-beastlike nationalism and patriotism that is rampant. We simply listened and redirected our conversations to help people reason on their own personal feelings for vengeance and justice.

In fact, one Indian psychiatrist with whom we spoke was openly upset and angry. She shared her lack of faith in God due to all the suffering in the world and admitted that she was at somewhat of a loss on what to say to the survivors whom she was attending. We engaged her in conversation by asking for a few examples of the type of suffering to which she referred. She quickly listed the uprisings and conflicts and wars that have wrought immeasurable suffering: Bhopal, Bosnia, Ireland, etc... So we thoughtfully asked her whether God or man had participated in such activities. She smiled and reluctantly answered that "man alone" has caused such problems. Her smile and pause indicated that she clearly grasped the point we were driving at by posing that simple question. A question that was only possible because we allowed her to talk at length, unburdening herself, while we displayed sincere interest in her views.

From there we had an ideal basis to continue our conversation. Thirty minutes later, the psychiatric doctor, sent there to assist others, was congratulating us for our healthy approach in facing the disasters that befall mankind today.

Yes, it was a rewarding weekend serving as volunteers and incorporating our witnessing during the frequent opportunities that arose.

Thank you for letting me share this experience.

Nicolas Ledu
Portuguese Congregation
Central Massachusetts, USA

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The "fake" chimp is not fake

by Carlo in

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in some works by janh and allanf has proposed that the skulle of the chimp in watctowers evolution/creationbook is fake.. so this is a skull of a chimp i found .

it is not so different from the skull you proposed as fake.

is the difference to talk about?.

Carlo

Hi

In some works by JanH and AllanF has proposed that the skulle of the chimp in Watctowers evolution/creationbook is fake.

So this is a skull of a chimp i found

It is not so different from the skull you proposed as fake. Is the difference to talk about?

The pic is from "Livets oprindelse" af Benedict Gullach, Systime 1991.

CArlo

Help this guy ........

by Carlo in

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hi all brothers and sisters.. i got this in an e-mail the other day.

allthough i'm a circuitoverseer, i don't know how to answer this.

hope someone in the neighbourhood can, and will reply him.

Carlo

Hi all brothers and sisters.

I got this in an E-mail the other day. Allthough I'm a circuitoverseer, I don't know how to answer this. Hope someone in the neighbourhood can, and will reply him
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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 06:14:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jonathan Howell < [email protected]>
Subject: Help in Vegas
To: [email protected]

Hello my name is Jon
Right now my family is going through some very hard
times. It has been 5 years since we have gone to
meetings regularly. As of now I do not know what to
do. We still say that we are Jehovah's Witnesses but
it has been a while since I have had any spiritual
"food" so to speak. My question is what should I do.
My family has had very bad fortune lately and we are
on the brink of loosing control. I don't know if I
want to go back to the meetings and I don't know if I
went back if I would be allowed to go to the meetings.
I am 16 years old and in the past few years I have
fallen prey to a lot of the temptations that are
around..........considering the fact that I am in Las
Vegas. I look back on my life and the things that I
have done and one of the only things that I can
honestly say were happier times was when I lived in
Hawaii. I would go to the Public Talk and Watchtower
study in the morning and afterwards we would all go to
the beach and surf. The times like this I had back
when I was younger are over but I still pray on a
regular basis. I cant just go up to a meeting and
walk in I fell that if I did that I would bring with
me all of the things I have done in the past. What I
need is to speak with someone who has maybe gone
through some very hard times in the past or had a
"wild" childhood and who came out of it and talk to
them about how they endured and made it through. If
you read this and have some free time maybe you could
write me back and give me a little guidance and tell
me if they have any Kingdom Halls in Las Vegas. The
internet is my only way of contacting someone so this
is my friends computer so if you Email me back
[email protected]

Thank you very much

Jonathan Howell

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Dear Fellow Witnesses

by Carlo in

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dear fellow witnesses of the true god jehovah,.

with all the anti-watchtower information that has been spreading all over the world via the internet, it becomes all the.

more important to stay close to jehovah and his organization.

Carlo

My posting is not satire. I'm a circuitoverseer and my posting is for sheperding.

Visit my page

http::/www.angelfire.com/ky/proclaimer

Agape
Carlo

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Dear Fellow Witnesses

by Carlo in

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dear fellow witnesses of the true god jehovah,.

with all the anti-watchtower information that has been spreading all over the world via the internet, it becomes all the.

more important to stay close to jehovah and his organization.

Carlo

Dear Fellow Witnesses of the true God Jehovah,

With all the anti-Watchtower information that has been spreading all over the world via the Internet, it becomes all the
more important to stay close to Jehovah and his organization. To this end, the enclosed information should be very
helpful in protecting the brotherhood from whatever misleading information is out there by keeping formost in mind
the REAL issues that are are involved in one's relationship with Jehovah God and his Son, Christ Jesus.

After very careful consideration, it is felt the most important advise that will protect all faithful Witnesses is this:
Under no circumstances should anyone read the book "Crisis of Consicence" by the former member of the Governing
Body, Raymond Franz! As the March 15, 1986 warned us...

When a fellow human tells us, 'Do not read this', or 'Do not read that,' we may be tempted to ignore his advice. But
remember, in this case Jehovah is the One who tells us in his Word what to do..If, out of curiosity, we were to read the
literature of a known apostate, would that not be the same as inviting this enemy of true worship right into home to sit
down with us and relate his apostate ideas?

Therefore it is out of respect for the wisdom Jehovah God that we never read anything that the Governing Body tells
us not to read.

The fact that everything in "Crisis of Conscience" is true is NOT the issue!

It matters not that Pastor Russell, Joseph Rutherford, Nathan Knorr and even Frederick Franz prophecied many
things that never came true. Neither does it matter that the men of the current Governing Body routinely misrepresent
the organizations' history in their efforts to cover up their mistakes. Those who have left the organization, for selfish
reasons, have never been able to accept these facts.

Some of you may have heard about what the Society has allowed the brothers to do in Mexico. And that is that elders,
Circuit and District Overseers and even members of the Bethel family, were permitted to illegally bribe government
officials in order to have them falsify a military certificate ("cartilla") which says that they had succesfully completed
Basic Training which then enrolled them in the Mexican Army First Reserve.

But our response to that is, "So what?" In what possible way does that affect our relationship with Jehovah today?
Does the Governing Body's conduct relative to Mexico change the fact that "this good news of the Kingdom will be
preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations?" Of course not! - Matt. 24:14

And then there is this matter of Malawi, Africa. Just because 20,000 or so of the brothers and sisters in that country
were forced to leave their homes and country; many of them robbed, beaten, raped and murdered just because the
Society had an opposite policy in that country from the one they had in Mexico is no reason to stop going to meetings
is it? That was over 20 years ago! What does that have to do with anything today? Do any of these things change the
fact that we are living in "the last days," or that Jehovah has a "faithful and discreet slave" that is providing us with
our "food at the proper time?" The answer is obvious to all honest-hearted persons. - Matt. 24:45-47

And another thing, What is the motive of Mr. Franz for including all this negative information in his book? If he is so
concerned about helping people then why doesn't he repent and come back to Jehovah's organization where he can
again share in the joy of proclaiming the Governing Body's latest message, whatever it might be!

These elderly men at the Brooklyn Headquarters are fully aware of Mexico, Malawi and all the false prophecies that
the organization has been involved in since the very first issue of the Watch Tower magazine of July, 1879. There are
other faithful brothers all over the world who are aware of many of the same things, but it doesn't bother any of these
spirirually mature ones.

Why not? Because they understand the REAL issue today, so deep into "the conclusion of the system of things," is
LOYALTY!... Loyalty to Jehovah's spirit-directed organization! And as the Governing Body has explained, We cannot
be loyal to Jehovah unless we are loyal to his organization. And the only way that such loyalty can be shown is by
following the men of its Governing Body no matter what they say or do. - Matthew 24:3

Theocratic ones recognize the Divine wisdom as was expressed in the May 1, 1957 Watchtower which is just as true
today as it has always been in the God's "spiritual paradise." The pronoun "we" has been changed to "you" in order
to make it easier for the reader to see where they stand in relation to the Governing Body...

You (i.e. all Jehovah's Witnesses who are not members of the Governing Body) shall not be unsettled by any thing that
happens. If something comes up that you do not understand you will wait patiently until it is made clear to you. If you
feel something is wrong you will wait on Jehovah. You will not forsake (the Governing Body's) teaching by immedately
beginning to criticize and find fault. You will realize that Jehovah knows what is going on in his organization, and if he
is willing to permit it, who are you to insist it should be different? If you really have faith, you will know that if
something is wrong, Jehovah will straighten it out eventually.

And so it doesn't matter what the Society and its leadership has ever done in the past, or will yet do in the future.
Jehovah knows everything that they have done, and that is what matters. Surely he would not be pleased if we were to
try to run ahead of his organization by presumptuously claiming that we know better how things should be done.

There may be some of you will be be surprised to learn that all of the Society's most prominent men have put Jehovah's
name on several of their own personal speculations that never occured or came true. But just because they have made
some false propheies, does that make them false prophets according to Deuteronomy 18:20-22? Not at all! They simply
made the same kind of mistakes that Jesus' apostles made in the first century when they asked him, "Are you restoring
the Kingdom to Israel at this time?" - See Acts 1:6

For those who are less mature, consider what one elder said about the ongoing misinformation that the Governing
Body keeps providing for us...

"If they told us the truth about the Society's history the organization would fall apart! And so they can't tell us the
truth."

Now stop and think... If we had been told the truth about the Society's record of false prophecies, would we have
studied very long? Or if we had been allowed to see how often the Governing Body is less than honest about the
Society's history, would we have ever been baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses? Probably not. So then, can you
now see the wisdom of not being told the truth?

There are several other advantages to being misinformed like this.

First of all, when one doesn't know the truth about his own religion he doesn't have to feel guilty when he passes
misleading formation on to others. And too, can you imagine how difficult it would for the immature ones if they came
to know these things to soon...If, for example, they realized that most of what they believe about the organization's
history is just a fairy tale, they might use that as an excuse to start missing meetings! How do you think Jehovah would
feel about those who would show such lack of respect for his arrangement?

It is hoped that everyone will recognize that the conduct of the men of the Governing Body has NEVER been at issue!
Rather, isn't the important thing, that "all speak in agreement" and that there is "love among yourselves?" And aren't
these the most important things which identify those who worship "the God of truth" and those who do not? - See 1
Cor.1:10 and John 13:35

And there is one more thing to consider: Who wants to find out that he/she has been mislead for so long? There aren't
many people who can face such reality. So rather than face it, why not adopt the same attitude as one elder (who also
has served as a temporary Circuit Overseer when called upon) who said...

"I would rather go to my grave being deceived than to find out that the Society isn't who they say they are."

True, it may not be easy for everyone to reason this way, but isn't it worth trying since he is one of the most respected
elders in his assignment?

So then, what can we learn from all this? Will we "immitate the faith" of the Governing Body since they are so
"faithful" and "discreet" (Hebrews 13:7)? It will help eveyone to do so if it is kept in mind that since Jesus is not our
Mediator, then our only hope of salvation is if we follow them. - 1 Timothy 2:5; Psalm 146:3

Remember, "The time left is reduced." So may we worship Jehovah "in truth" as we continue to warn all those in false
religion that very soon now "the God of truth" will destroy "everyone liking and carrying on a lie." - 1 Cor. 7:29;
John 2:24; Revelation 22:15

Anybody we know?

by Carlo in

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hello got this in a mail.

if any of you know the guy, then reply her personly.

if you reply on this board, it will not reach her.

Carlo

Hello got this in a mail. If any of you know the guy, then reply her personly. If you reply on this board, it will not reach her.
Carlo

Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 00:50:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: kathy guardado < [email protected]>
Subject: Hello
To: [email protected]

Hello, my name is Kathy Guardado and i have a problem,
my daughter needs to find her father, his name is
Farnklin Mardoqueo Melendez Gomes and he lives in USA,
we do not know about him 6 years ago, i just know that
he is in your religion (Jehova's Witnesses) maybe 2
years ago maybe you know him. I am in El Salvador and
i just want to know about him for my daugter. She miss
him a lot.
Please if you can help me i will thank you.
He lives in USA , he born in september 4th 1968.
Thank you a lot,
Kathy Guardado.

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personal websites in the JW???

by christina in

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hi everybody - can you spare a minute and tell me about your personal experiences regaring having a personal webpage as a jw?.

i am working on a school project about jw and the internet and in this connection i interviewed a representative of the society.

i asked him about personal websites and he said explicitly that, "there is nothing stopping individual witnesses from setting up that sort, and we dont say nobody is to have a website and all that kind of, you know that is entirely a matter for the individual to determine".. however, i can't really make that fit with the impression i get from surfing personal websites.

Carlo

hello Christina

I'm a circuitoverseer. Go to my page
http://www.angelfire.com/ky/proclaimer/index.html

You will find everything about the Society's wiev on personal homepage's and our use of the Internet there.

But short version: Don't

Carlo