ok as you have gathered im a wittness and i for one beleave we have the truth.not saying every thing is or has all ways been right because we live in a imperfect world with imperfect people.but as far as jehovah being god and jesus being his son.and the coming war of arrmegeddon.i would say we have the truth.i no about all the mistakes and misunderstandings we have had in the past.but i feel that is past and we have moved on.and abandoned i no what you all say about the year 607 being wrong but that date all deapends on it desolation was 70 years or not.so im just trying to understand how some of you say you lernt you was being lied to?
yes but that only gives 48 years for the exile and i feel the bible say 70 years so who do i trust mans words or the Gods?
Forget what the verse says. You are assuming that it is an acurate account of what actually happened. The Bible is full of statements and claims that are at odds with historical fact. The fact is that Jerusalem was not destroyed in 607 BCE. There is a mountain of evidence which proves it.
ok as you have gathered im a wittness and i for one beleave we have the truth.not saying every thing is or has all ways been right because we live in a imperfect world with imperfect people.but as far as jehovah being god and jesus being his son.and the coming war of arrmegeddon.i would say we have the truth.i no about all the mistakes and misunderstandings we have had in the past.but i feel that is past and we have moved on.and abandoned i no what you all say about the year 607 being wrong but that date all deapends on it desolation was 70 years or not.so im just trying to understand how some of you say you lernt you was being lied to?
i am on here a lot.
leafing through posts, taking the time out to read individuals' profiles, their topics.
i like to gain insight, get perspective on what it is like to be "on the other side" i guess you can say.
I never had much bitterness.
Being a history buff all my life--I realized that JWs are hardly unique in the pages of human history. As long as there has been people on this earth there have been religions, philosophies, systems of belief which were based on erroneous ideas of reality. People have been living and dying in ignorance for thousands of years, exerting themselves for goals and causes which eventually proved worthless.
I'm just glad that we live in a time where knowledge and information are freely available and where a person has the freedom of choice to accept or reject a belief system as he sees fit. To be filled with bitterness and animosity will not do much to stop JWs--it will only stress you out and is basically wasted emotion. My advice--get busy living. Enroll in some college courses, take up a hobby, get out and meet people, travel, whatever--just do something. Before long you will be too engrossed in your new life to give much thought to fretting over the past.
i posted this on another thread, but got no response.
why do jws claim to not celebrate christmas and/or birthdays, but will accept gifts?
why don't jws celebrate christmas/birthdays?
Why do JWs claim to not celebrate Christmas and/or birthdays, but will accept gifts?
The real answer to this question is that they don't want to be rude or hurt people's feelings.
Why don't JWs celebrate Christmas/birthdays? Is there a reason?
Since Christmas/birthday celebrations originated from pagan (non-Christian) sources, they believe Christians should not partake in them.
i am seeking printed info in wt literature regarding use of birth control pills (for medical reasons) by unmarried women, specifically rules or hints saying it is not ok. (there are many medical reasons to take birth control pills other than for birth control.
) i can't remember seeing anything in print.
do you know if there was mention of this in the literature or in talks?
Could have been your location. Interesting point. Would be interesting to see if a persons proximity makes a difference in how much control they have. I know that different congregations can make quite a difference.
It seems to me that Witnesses and congregations who have a lot of interaction with Bethel or Bethelites often tend to have had their rose-colored glasses smashed a long time ago and tend to be more independent minded. Whereas Witnesses in other parts of the country tend to regard Bethel and the Society with the reverence accorded to a saint.
It's similar to the difference in attitude between Renaissance Italy and northern Europe. The Italians who lived in close proximity to the Church leadership, having seen all the hypocrisy and shenanigans up close, were disenchanted humanists who held few illusions about religion. While the northern Europeans remained very pious and maintained their idealism, often being shocked when visiting Rome and seeing some of what actually went on in the holy city.
i thought with all the "evolution vs." threads i'd start this one.
lol
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Another sobering thought is that basically all memory of our existence will be lost within 3 or 4 generations of our death.
I ponder this every now and then. The author of Ecclesiastes said it best:
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For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.Don't think about these verses as a JW proof text. Think about them as the words of an agnostic, or even an atheist. I'm convinced the part at the end about "fearing God and keeping his commandments" was added later in order to make the book compatible with belief in God. If you read from the start without preconceived notions, it seems clear that the author believes this life is all there is--and he's pondering his own mortality and the mortality of the countless millions who came before him.
i'd like someone to explain to me, why so many people come out with the phrase, 'i love jehovah'?.
what is it that they're meant to be loving?.
jehovah was a pretty nasty war god of the israelites.
I think psychologically it's similar to a child's love/fear of a parent. When you truly believe that God exists and cares about you, listens to prayers, holds you accountable for your actions, etc. then you can develop strong emotional bonds.
ok, i've looked 3 times now through the new study book: what the bible really teaches and i can't find 1 depection of armageddon in it.
(if i'm wrong, someone please point it out!
) is this the beginning of the society trying to create a more loving image?
these things come from the bible its self
I agree with you 100% PMJ.
And it's all the more reason to see the Bible for what it is--the mythological beliefs and ancient philosophies of a bygone era.
ok, i've looked 3 times now through the new study book: what the bible really teaches and i can't find 1 depection of armageddon in it.
(if i'm wrong, someone please point it out!
) is this the beginning of the society trying to create a more loving image?
those pictures made me feel bad for the ones that got killed but they never gave me nightmares about myself
My experience was the same. I only remember dreaming about Armageddon once--and it was great. Fire and sulfur were raining down from the sky, mayhem was all around, while angels were protecting the faithful--and then I woke up.
avove is a 1999 km quote pages 3-6 on the dangers of the internet.. .
you don't need to read all this.
just read the opening line and paragraph 19.....then read paragraph 22. in summary, the opening line below says... the watchtower does all our research for us and we need not look elsewhere.
The Society is fighting a losing battle on this one. How many JWs actually STOP going to any particular online sites as a result of such warnings? My guess is--none.
This is like the constant harping on not wearing casual clothing after an assembly session, or not listening to rap music. The ones who were doing it already will just keep on doing it since they consider it nobody else's business anyway.
