Is the Forbidden City where they have the huge portraits of Mao? My brother and I spent one night in Beijing at the end of a long train-ride through Siberia and Mongolia. We had to leave on a flight first thing in the morning, but we did grab a quick taxi down to Tiananman Square and took some photos with Chairman Mao. Here's one (bro's face blacked out for privacy):
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One Day I got a wonderful postcard from China.......
by AK - Jeff in.... with this image [although not the exact picture].. .
http://www.kinabaloo.com/fcc.html.
so i decided to do a little digital inspection of the place online.
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The Truth From the Bible About the 144,000
by AllTimeJeff ini hope this wont take me too long, as being concise isnt my biggest talent.
a recent thread on the 144,000 made me put a couple of things together about the governing body.
these are the ones that claim to have authority from jehovah, to tell the over 6,00,000 that although we arent masters over anyones faith, these 150 items are absolutely prohibited for you to do.
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Jeff--IP_SEC was being sarcastic...he's a longtime contributor here.
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QFR Regarding How The "Slave" Is "Discreet"
by minimus ini was reading this nonsense at my mom's house yesterday and when i agreed with one of the definitions for "discreet" from the article, i said, "how could anyone think they were ever discreet when they got everything wrong from russell's day until now?
were they discreet when they said because the end is so close you shouldn't get married, have children and make families??
is that "discreet" or just the opposite???
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Leolaia - OK, first of all, I'll grant you 5 bonus points right off the top for your use of the word "proleptically." But seriously, you do make a persuasive argument here--I might even have to change my opinion BTW, what is your background in all this, are you a closet theologian?
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The Diary of an Armageddon Survivor
by reneeisorym inbrother thorn told brother.
i told him i didn't feel well.
i told ed thorn that.
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lol...luv the ending
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Anyone recall the WTS's crazy notions about the literal "heart"?
by fahrvegnugen inback in my dub days, i used to make copies of all the old recorded talks i could get my hands on.
in the process i was surprised to come across several talks in which the "faithful slave" tried to make the case that all the scriptures talking about the "heart" were not figurative, but referred to one's literal heart--the organ itself!
as i recall, they even incorporated some pseudo-scientific quotes as "proof" that the heart could effect your thoughts and motivations.
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Back in my dub days, I used to make copies of all the old recorded talks I could get my hands on. In the process I was surprised to come across several talks in which the "faithful slave" tried to make the case that all the scriptures talking about the "heart" were not figurative, but referred to one's literal heart--the organ itself! As I recall, they even incorporated some pseudo-scientific quotes as "proof" that the heart could effect your thoughts and motivations. At least one of the talks was delivered by a GB member--I may still have it around here somewhere. Anyone else familiar with this nonsense?
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QFR Regarding How The "Slave" Is "Discreet"
by minimus ini was reading this nonsense at my mom's house yesterday and when i agreed with one of the definitions for "discreet" from the article, i said, "how could anyone think they were ever discreet when they got everything wrong from russell's day until now?
were they discreet when they said because the end is so close you shouldn't get married, have children and make families??
is that "discreet" or just the opposite???
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Leolaia - a few thoughts in response. Again I must stress how truly generic most of these phrases are: élthen ho kurios, means simply "the master came," epi pasin tois uparxousin autou katasthsei, "he will appoint over all his property", katesthsen, "he appointed" (katesthsen and katasthsei are the same word, only different tenses--aorist and future respectively). The use of the verb sitometrew, "to measure out grain," in Genesis is intriguing and probably the best argument in favor of this theory, since Luke does use the noun sitometrion, "a measure of grain" in his account.
Obviously, slavery was virtually a universal institution in the ancient world. It's my understanding that every household (oikos) would have a slave (doulos) who had proved his worth and would be appointed (kathisthmi) as house-steward (oikonomos), with responsibility to administer his master's (kurios) estate. These words and terminology are found together throughout Greek literature, thus I honestly don't think they warrant any special conclusion one way or another. My biggest problem with the theory is that there are some large inconsistencies, between the two stories:
Genesis 39:16 LXX it is said that the incident with Potiphar's wife occurred before Joseph's master "came home " ( élthen eis ton oikon autou ), implying at least that he was not there at the house and only later came there. As I already pointed out, by the first century AD this story was commonly read as implying that indeed Potiphar had gone away from the house
If we accept the above, then this would mean that Joseph's master was Potiphar rather than Pharaoh, which means that his master returned before he even began to distribute the "food in due season." This explanation thus makes no sense at all--Potiphar came and found Joseph doing what? and appointed him over what? If we take Pharaoh to be Joseph's master, who appointed him to 'measure out grain in due season,' then we have a closer parallel but are still left with the fact that Pharaoh never went away somewhere else and then came back to check up on him, nor did he further appoint him over additional 'belongings' as a reward after the fact.
In summary, I won't go so far as to say the faithful and discreet slave is definitely not based on the account of Joseph, only that I think the evidence is not really conclusive one way or the other.
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QFR Regarding How The "Slave" Is "Discreet"
by minimus ini was reading this nonsense at my mom's house yesterday and when i agreed with one of the definitions for "discreet" from the article, i said, "how could anyone think they were ever discreet when they got everything wrong from russell's day until now?
were they discreet when they said because the end is so close you shouldn't get married, have children and make families??
is that "discreet" or just the opposite???
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Interesting theory Leolaia--and who knows--it might even be correct. I would simply like to point out that those Greek words and phrases are among some of the most common and ubiquitous in the language. Verbs such as kathisthmi (set, place) and it's various forms are every bit as common in Greek as "set" and "place" are in English. I wonder if this explanation is reading too much into the fact that some of the words and phrases are the same or similar. One big difference, Joseph's "master" never went anywhere. I don't know for a fact, but my gut instinct tells me that if you find other descriptions from Greek-speaking Jews describing a servant who is made house-steward, you would find the same verbs, adjectives and phraseology employed.
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QFR Regarding How The "Slave" Is "Discreet"
by minimus ini was reading this nonsense at my mom's house yesterday and when i agreed with one of the definitions for "discreet" from the article, i said, "how could anyone think they were ever discreet when they got everything wrong from russell's day until now?
were they discreet when they said because the end is so close you shouldn't get married, have children and make families??
is that "discreet" or just the opposite???
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The greek word translated "discreet" is--fronimos, which apparently means, "located in Brooklyn."
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Why is the # for annointed still in the 8,000's?
by White Dove inshouldn't it be going down but fast?
god, how old are they, anyway?
do new ones keep popping up or something?
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One of the more impressive "lightning flashes" of "new light" from that recent article was that members of the anointed have NO MORE of Jehovah's spirit than non-anointed. ...........Yes, those skillful and cheerfully uneducated writers at Bethel, led (or not) by Jehovah's holy spirit, have opened a can of worms, spiritually speaking
Like many, you may be wondering what was the basis for drawing this conclusion. It turns out that a double-blind study was conducted at Bethel in which anointed and other-sheep were put through presses to wring out every last drop of their respective holy spirit which was siphoned into beakers and measured. Rumor has it that the anointed were pissed with the outcome but hey...you can't argue with science baby!
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Hurricane Dean and JW's.
by integ inwhile the wtbs is no doubt scrambling about at bethel; frantically searching the scriptures in an effort to attach some prophetic meaning to this latest hurricane in the caribbean, and how it somhow relates to the importance of stepping it up in the ministry, how much time do you think they will spend on plans to help their fellowman?.
i am sure we will all hear b.s such as " this just shows how we are in the last of the last of the last days".. but oh by the way, make plans for our international convention in 2009..
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I'm sure they will print up some extra life-saving "spiritual food" to distribute to the starving homeless victims.