Posts by DannyBloem

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a spirit - the life force [pneu'ma / ru'ach]

by DannyBloem in

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the jw's have some teaching about the spirit that it is the kind of unknow life force/engerie that was given to adam and all of us.. i think that they teach that if this life force is taken away, we die instantly.. of course we die when we have no more energie, but energie does come from food, not from something unknown.. what exactly is the society teaching about this, i never fully understood it.. ad what does the bible really mean, whenit uses these words?.

danny

DannyBloem

Thank you VM44,

They liken the "life force" to electricity, and it is tied in with "Breathing" in some way.

we still use the base greek word in some of out words today, for air-tools.

They also say that the "life is in the blood"
When a person dies, the "life force" returns to Jehovah.
The life force contains no personality of the person.

This is how I remember it too.

This causes a problem with the JW's resurrection beliefs in that it means that only a clone copy with replicated memories will be re-created as there is nothing unique to transfer from the orignal person.

I do not see why this is a problem

These are comments I am just typing from the top of my head right now. I am sure that others here will be able to provide exact references concerning these beliefs in the JW literature.

thank you

A paduan,

I find jw theology inconsistent with God's spirit being a 'thing' but demons are for real
jws believe demons are person, but not the holy spirit ?

the spirit we talking about with this words is not the holy spirit, not spiritual creatures. Many things can be described as spirits, but they do not all have to exists. I do not see any inconsistency. Danny

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a spirit - the life force [pneu'ma / ru'ach]

by DannyBloem in

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the jw's have some teaching about the spirit that it is the kind of unknow life force/engerie that was given to adam and all of us.. i think that they teach that if this life force is taken away, we die instantly.. of course we die when we have no more energie, but energie does come from food, not from something unknown.. what exactly is the society teaching about this, i never fully understood it.. ad what does the bible really mean, whenit uses these words?.

danny

DannyBloem

Thank you Narkissos for your answer,

The ancient conceptions of "life" were of course very different from modern biology. By "translating" them with modern scientific-sounding words like "energy" or "life force" the WT gives the wrong impression that they can still stand as alternative biological descriptions. But afaik there is nothing that resembles "life force" in modern biology. The use of the Hebrew ruach (and the Greek pneuma in a Jewish context) actually points to the phenomenon of breath (note that both words also mean "wind") as "essential" to "life" (chayyim). Consequently plants are usually not described as "living" -- unlike earthly animals or even fish, they had nothing observable then which could be construed as similar to "breath".

yes, that is how I understand the meaning of these verses also. It is quite clear, IMHO. But the WT has some different explanation, an explanation that is as thin as air. It is this explanation that I do not understand.
But then I guess, they just do not explain it fully, so it there explanation can not be fully understood. They give the impression that it is like electricity. Which is of course a very wrong illustration. What I want to know is how exactly they see this point.

In the OT the "breath" is not connected to a physical element like "air," not to mention "oxygen," but to the lifegiving divine. The continuity between divine and animal ruach is remarkably expressed in Psalm 104:29f (a text directly inspired from the Egyptian Hymn to Atum, http://touregypt.net/hymntoaten.htm):

This is very interesting. Maybe also nice for a new topic on comparissions of bible with other archelogical texts. The way they see it does not differ too much from surrounding nations then. It is also an understandable though in the light of these days. Danny

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What is it? Not a bird or a plane, but an ark?

by truthseeker in

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this post has a little more detail than the previous post on noah's ark.. it could be older than the ark or newer.. there are some really good pictures here.. without another debate on whether the flood happened or didn't happen, does anyone have any ideas as to what this thing is doing so high up?.

if it is a boat, then what the heck would a boat be doing at this height?.

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/secure/cwnetwork/article.php?&articleid=813.

DannyBloem

first of all, it is very hard to see from the pictures if it is wood or stone.

looking at the first picture it looks more like wood, but then the surrounding on the second, is more like the same stones.

anyway, I do not understand that they did not take a litle peace and have it analysed, that would be quite easy....

and if it is wood, it could also be just parts of houses etc.

the way the bring the conclusions are more based on wishes then science, IMHO

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Interview with Jehovah (unbelievers only!)

by freetosee in

i think its funny (but know not everyone will like it).

please enjoy this and the following interviews http://www.webspawner.com/users/intjehovah/

freetosee

DannyBloem

hillarious

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Prediction of large drop in JW numbers in 2014

by VM44 in

i am going to make the prediction, here and now in mid 2006, that there will be a significant drop in the number of jehovah's witnesses in the year 2014, the one hundredth anniversary of 1914.. the only way this drop in numbers might be avoided is if the watchtower society can think up some way to stir up the rank and file and get them motivated to do more, like they did with the 1975 fiasco.. .

i doubt very much that the watchtower magazine is going to proclaim loudly in the year 2014 anything about the "generation of 1914" not passing away.. --vm44

DannyBloem

that is an interesting prediction.

I hope this site is still open by then, and somebody has the memory to revive this then aged thread :)

anyway, my prediction is that: the year 2010 is a remarkable year, because it will be the first year (after 1976) where the witnesses will have a decease worldwide.
I make this prediction on statistics.

Then some drastic measure will be done by 2011, which will of course backfire. By 2013 or 2014 we will then indeed see a sharper decrease.

by the way, the dubs have already a demographic decrease.

Danny Bloempie

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the word for gods name?

by pallemar in

i have a small debate.

on what gods real name shoulde be.

he say it is jehova, and i say, if we shoulde go back in time, why not use the name seth.

DannyBloem

Hi Pallemar, welcome.

I have a small debate. on what gods real name shoulde be. he say it is Jehova, and i say, if we shoulde go back in time, why not use the name seth. becourse it was problably, the god moses was devoted to, as a slave.

the deity jehovah/Jahweh didn't come from egypt directly. It was also know in other tribes living close to the hebrews.

well, it you take the bible litterary, the name was already known before moses.
In fact it looks more like too different people writing differently, then only moses. According to one part moses receives the name, according to another part the name was already known to abraham. looks like two writers disagreeing on this

Muhammed gave him the name Allah.

Allah, is not a name, it is the word god.

I think f you would learn greek it would not help you. IMHO it would be more probably yahweh, but who cares...

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a spirit - the life force [pneu'ma / ru'ach]

by DannyBloem in

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the jw's have some teaching about the spirit that it is the kind of unknow life force/engerie that was given to adam and all of us.. i think that they teach that if this life force is taken away, we die instantly.. of course we die when we have no more energie, but energie does come from food, not from something unknown.. what exactly is the society teaching about this, i never fully understood it.. ad what does the bible really mean, whenit uses these words?.

danny

DannyBloem

The JW's have some teaching about the spirit that it is the kind of unknow life force/engerie that was given to Adam and all of us.

I think that they teach that if this life force is taken away, we die instantly.

of course we die when we have no more energie, but energie does come from food, not from something unknown.

What exactly is the society teaching about this, I never fully understood it.
Ad what does the bible really mean, whenit uses these words?

Danny

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Holidays in our country

by Lady Lee in

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i have noticed a few times that not all countries celebrate their holidays on the same day as canada or the us.

canadians have a better knowledge of the american holidays because we tend to watch many american tv shows.. some holidays are the same where ever you live.

but a lot are different, like mother's day.. so for the benefit of all what are the holidays your country or state/province celebrates?.

DannyBloem

most of the days named here, we do not have.

official hollydays:
easter on sunday and monday
first and second christmas day
pentacoastal day
jesus fly up day (assunction day, or something, do not know the english word)
new year (1ste of jan)
Queensday

special days, but not hollydays

We have mothers day (Don't know when),
Fathers day (somewhere in june)
animal day in september
santa claus (5 december) <not 25>
labour day 1 may
liberation day 5 may
valentines day

that's basically it

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skeptic2 introduction

by skeptic2 in

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i've been reading these forums for a while.

now i've posted, it would seem polite to introduce myself.

i am not nor ever have been a jw, but my wife was interested throughout her life, and had some attendance as a teenager.

DannyBloem

welcome

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no thanks jesus

by Cordelia in

i want to research into some of the jws teachings in the hope i can find something thatll eventually make my family listen to me, and something little toe said once got me thinking.. why dont the jws take the bread and wine?

i know why they say they dont but as little toe said jesus died for us and told us to take it its kind of like saying 'no thanks jesus im not bothered that you died for me'.

what do you guys think?

DannyBloem

littletoo is a smart fellow,

I think he is right.
That is that if you consider yourself a christian you should eat the bread and dring the wine