Swordofjah,
Just wondering if you are able to count this online time.
Cathy
after my recent barrage of elder visits i've been told that to truly show i'm willing to work at restoring my faith a bs is needed.. i want to be able to pick a few recent publications (last 10 yrs) and sit down with him and examine all the quotes and references in the publications to show how the society has misquoted and misrepresented so much in their publications.
do you know which publications would be best..keeping in mind the reference material will also have to readily accessible to be of any use.
i don't think searching on the internet will be acceptable to him.. .
Swordofjah,
Just wondering if you are able to count this online time.
Cathy
after my recent barrage of elder visits i've been told that to truly show i'm willing to work at restoring my faith a bs is needed.. i want to be able to pick a few recent publications (last 10 yrs) and sit down with him and examine all the quotes and references in the publications to show how the society has misquoted and misrepresented so much in their publications.
do you know which publications would be best..keeping in mind the reference material will also have to readily accessible to be of any use.
i don't think searching on the internet will be acceptable to him.. .
Swordofjah,
Just wondering if you are able to count this online time.
Cathy
so many of us, so many reasons we left or were kicked out.
from that point, how long did it take for you to not feel guilty about things and realize that the wts is not the "truth" as they always claim and that they have no say in whatever happens to us later.. for me, it was a slow fade.
not so much because i was determind to leave it; it was basically laziness in that regard.
It took years. I am still learning but I feel now it had a pagan start and then they go on to put the pagans in a negative light.
Cathy
as a jw, were you ever put on restrictions?
how did you feel when you were told that a certain "privilege" was being taken from you?
were you given any warning by the elders in charge that what you did merited a removal of some sort?
Yes, I lost the right to continue fulltime pioneering. My ex came to my fathers apartment and we were not married but experimenting orally. My ex turned me in. As he was upset that I had broken off the engagement. I was to marry him and lost service privileges. We didn't even have sex yet.
Needless to say after we married we didn't have anymore oral sex.
Cathy
im leaving the board, and am compelled to announce it.
but there are a few things i want to say first -- some recollections that (perhaps incongruously) seem germane to my leave-taking of jw.com.
1) my first post was also my first thread, written in the summer of 2000 (on h2o, actually).
Dadelus,
Good luck!!! The future awaits. Catch that ellusive rainbow in your dreams and hang on for the ride. Your life isn't stagnant, just growing. I just came back this past week and it has been so interesting for me.
The way you saw things the day you gave your letter to the brother brought tears to my eyes. Most of us have known the older ones who were always willing to share apart of their lives with us and their experiences in the hopes that we would grow and share. The truly kind ones and for those memories you brought back to me were truly treasures in my life.
Blessings to you and your family!
Cathy
how long can a forum last before every topic has been discussed at least once?
new people come to the forum with new opinions, changing the forums dynamic, but there is a point when everything has been discussed and some members have seen all there is to see.
i suspect this happens faster on a forum with a focus like the jw experience (versus a general forum) because there is only so much to discuss about jws and the wtbts.
Until the new light from JWs is extiguished.
I have been on and off this board for a couple years. I leave to learn things then come back when I get what I am looking for. I just come to see what has been going on and see if there is something I have missed in learning threads.
As I have been working my way through the Enochian and Thomas books that were left out of the bible I was hoping to see if anyone had mentioned what they had learned.
Cathy
i went to the assembly (ahhh!
) to hear the "beware of the voice of strangers" talk.
here are some interesting things from the friday and saturday assembly talks: .
Wow!!!
I want to thank you so much for posting this. You see my mom is listening to all this crap and she knows the truth of what happened in my family. My mom also watches 20/20, reads newspapers and she is informed about what has been going on. For the society to disclaim all this as false is a tick in her ear. She knows how my situation was handled. She knows what was done to us as a family and her daughter.
For the society to lie and say this is all lies my mom knows the difference. They are showing their true colors. Maybe there is hope for my mom after all. Maybe that is why she is going to colllege to be a nurse instead of just pioneering. Way to go!
You made my day.
Cathy
are jw marriages any better than the ones 'in the world' as they put it?
when they walk from door to door or mingle after a meeting they appear to be models of ideal marriages.
do you have any experiences with married couples in the 'truth'?
NO!!!
There is no way out even if you have been beaten and raped by your husband. Alcoholism prevails behind closed doors, molestations take place because of a lack of sex from their spouses.
There is no way out unless you want to be disfellowshipped. God hates a divorcing.
Ok, so the six minute missionary position leads to no natural creativity.
Of course you can marry virgins most of the time, unless of course the pedophiles got to them first.
Be warned if you have sex with your spouse and think of someone else, just dont call out the other persons name, you will be before the elders in no time flat, even if you have asked in the past for help because you were being beat up by your husband/wife.
Cathy
for all of those either out or on their way to the freedom exit door, do you still see traces of your old jw self that rears its ugly head?
Yes, I am obsessed with learning the truth about it all. Simply obsessed. Just like when I was one I would study all the time as it was an obsession.
I never turned the other cheek as a JWS but now I don't give a crap. I didn't like that admonishing.
An Elder gave me work on it in the second school on a thursday night and I stood up and called him on the carpet as I had to improvise and use a male for the householder. It was not proper conduct using the male householder but standing up and saying my peace was less acceptable.
I was always stirring up the sheep. I felt so alive but now the fight isn't in me anymore.
Cathy
some of us have been out awhile, some of us may have just left, some of us still on the fence.. how do you feel towards the jw's and the organization right now, july 18, 2003.. compassion, hurt, hatred, anger, sorry, bitterness, helpless, robbed, cheated, or any other feeling you can think off.
which one describes your situation best ???????????.
all of us feel and handle situations with family differently, yet we are so much the same.. the day may come when family comes to you and says those dreaded words ........... " i can no longer have any association with you, not even on the telephone.".
I don't hate them or any other religion. If this is their only way to be spiritual and become close to God it is their journey.
I feel sad that they close off the available knowledge that would change their viewpoint. I feel sad that the GB can make decisions about who to love and who to shun. They are the ones making judgement calls and others are living with those calls.
Love God and your neighbor. Shunning family members or judging others is the lowest. If God finds his pleasure in this then so be it.
Just a deep saddness for what is lost when we close of knowledge. I am not going to waste time on the past as it is something I can't change.
I went from being pissed, hurt, bitter, enraged, deranged, confused, then finally there came a turning point. I could live my life through love or I can live it being hurt. It was my choice.
They took away 29yrs through my stupidity. I won't give them the next 29yrs.
Cathy