Posts by sir82

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Have you ever known elders who were more into being and elder than really being a believer?

by phoenixrising in

i have known many elders who were much more into the idea of being an elder and getting all the old ladies to tell them what wonderful talks they give and the power then really being a believer.

i had one elder tell me that when he became an elder he was on top dog on top of the heap.

i knew some who were really all about the religion and following the cult.

sir82

Rub a dub's elder categories are spot-on, though I would probably adjust the percentages.

This is one of those things that should probably, by now, no longer shock me, but still does:

A very large proportion of elders have virtually their entire identity wrapped up in being "an elder". It is Who They Are, period, full stop. Literally their whole life revolves around "elder stuff".

That's why it is so devastating if they are ever "removed" as an elder. Suddenly, their identity is torn away. Who are they? They've devoted virtually their entire existence to being An Elder, and now they aren't. They have no interests, no passions, no hobbies, no nothing. They're just a shell. It would be sad if it weren't entirely of their own (stupid) making.

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What do you make of this recent article regarding the United Nations stance towards overriding religions of the world on certain matters?

by devout_no_more in

first of all, this is my first post here on the forums even though i have been registered now for some time.

i have been faded from the jehovah's witness religion for many years now, but only recently within the past year or so gotten quite serious about it - crisis of conscience by ramond franz really kicked things off for me personally.. anyway, my wife, parents, step-sister and her husband and my half-brother are all still active jw's, so i am still exposed to them, and this is also the reason why i'm still "faded".

frankly i'd probably just as soon disassociate myself without the threat of being shunned.

sir82

The United Nations wouldn't have the ability to enforce fishing limits in a backyard pool, much less "come for your religion".

I wouldn't lose any sleep over the possibility that "maybe the JWs are right".

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This is not even close to the cult I grew up in

by phoenixrising in

i was watching some of the may jw cult broadcast.

this push to be a movie studio and other things makes this cult seem like something else entirely from what i grew up in.

they really are trying to use anything they can to hook suckers into being cult members.

sir82

They really are trying to use anything they can to hook suckers into being cult members.

Well, there's something that hasn't changed!

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Reasonable question - looking for reasonable responses!

by BoogerMan in

why are taxi firms still operating during a "deadly pandemic?".

i was shopping yesterday and saw taxi after taxi picking people & their shopping up at the supermarket.

none of the drivers or any of the passengers wore masks or gloves, nor did they keep any distance from each other - in or out of the car.. the drivers all helped to load the bags into the boots/trunks of their cars.taxi-drivers must be seriously at risk of catching/spreading covid 19...

sir82

As far as symptoms and mortality go, this is the normal flu under a different name

67,000 US dead as of May 4.

Trump's own administration projects 3000 US dead per day within a month:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/04/coronavirus-us-live-trump-second-wave-deaths-cuomo-new-york-latest-news-updates

So the death count will likely blow past 100,000 in the US in just a couple of weeks, and still not anywhere near the peak.

I weep for the willful ignorance of people, whose selfish actions will prolong the crisis and cause hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths..

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When do the 2300 days begin?

by Kosonen in

when to begin the countdown of the 2300 days?

to get an idea, it could be helpful to discern when those days end relative to time times and half a time.. i see a possibility that the 2300 days end the same day as the 1260 days.

that is because the woman in revelation 12 will be fed 1260 days.

sir82

Let me save you some time & effort spent typing all this folderol out...

Instead of all the numerology mumbo-jumbo, just say it is coming "soon", "very soon now", "imminently", etc. No need for complex calculations, and it has the added bonus of not being falsifiable.

Even the Watchtower, dumb as they are, has figured this out by now.

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What is this forum for?

by Kate14 in

i'm new.. my first post here asking for a little support was deleted by myself due to the frosty and rude replies i received.

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i don't actually understand what this forum is for if it is filled with hostile people.. little confused.. why is everyone here?.

sir82

Why is everyone here?

I heard there was free beer.

Thus far I have been sadly disappointed.

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What a wonderful time---for faders to fade away!

by eyeuse2badub in

i’ve been thinking about it for a few weeks and i’m sort of surprised that no one else has introduced this topic!.

what better time than now for a fader to fade?

no meetings, no field service, no elder visits, no assemblies, no convention, and no other bullshit busy work going on.

sir82

Not sure it is an ideal time to fade.

Elders are contacting publishers at least weekly, in some cases daily, including people on the "inactive" list. If you don't answer a contact attempt, the calls / texts become more frequent and urgent.

Meetings are held on Zoom. Either your PC camera is on, so elders can see who is attending, or at least your name shows up as "signed on" even if you turn your camera off. There is "no excuse" for missing a meeting - it's right there at your home! No need to travel to the Kingdom Hall! If you're "tired", just sit on your sofa and watch!

Come to think of it, "fading" is virtually impossible now.

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Why are things wrong?

by Tim207 in

during our family worship tonight a thought popped into my head while watching this weeks video on demon influence.

why is does jehovah not like certain things?

like why is homosexuality wrong?

sir82

I had a simpler question on this week's video:

Why do all the JWs in the video take the "Bible student's" account of hearing voices at face value?

They immediately assume that oh yes, it absolutely, definitely, for a certainty, was a bunch of demons.

No one thinks that maybe, just maybe, the lady is mentally ill? Or hallucinating? Or having a bad reaction to medication?

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US Letter Read Sunday 4/26 at Meeting - No KH Use and No Field Service Indefinitely

by JWTom in

jw
friends

there was a letter read sunday at our meeting that mentioned some parts of us are starting to open back up.

however, regardless of things opening up that no kingdom halls should be used for any meetings of any kind.

also, no door-to-door ministry or any form of in-person ministry is allowed.

sir82

It's real.

It's an "Announcement" rather than a letter, so it doesn't have letterhead, signatures, etc.

But it's on the jw.borg site.

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July 2020 Watchtower - A little observation

by Listener in

this is a comment made in the latest study watchtower under the main discussion of humility.

11 jehovah values humility more than ability and unity more than eﬃciency.

therefore, do your best to serve jehovah with humility.

sir82

LOL.

Translations:

Jehovah values humility more than ability

There are some really incompetent nitwits with positions of authority, but YOU can't complain about it. Your job is to "humbly" shut up and obey them unquestioningly in anything & everything.

unity more than eﬃciency

We've got stupid, inefficient processes full of red tape and bureaucracy, but YOU can't complain about it. Your job is to "unitedly" shut up and obey us unquestioningly in anything & everything.