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Self love

by Cath in

is there anyone out there who remembers being taught by the wt that love of the self was sinful?

if so will you please point me to a piece of literature which contains that teaching, preferably a scan if possible.

i have a vague memory of hearing something along those lines as a child and don't know if it was part of jw teaching or just something my family taught us.

Thanks Been There, I truly thought I was going mad. I'm still struggling with this issue even after all these years so it seems it must have been a very early teaching because of course the younger you are the more like a sponge your little mind is. I've been trying to get to the core or earliest memory of my lack of self love so thought I'd delve once again into the JW doctrines and didn't have the resources so thanks again. By the way I may have stuffed up and posted this subject twice coz this wonderful forum has changed lots since I was last here about three years ago. Apologies if so.

Cath

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Self love

by Cath in

is there anyone out there who remembers being taught by the wt that love of the self was sinful?

if so will you please point me to a piece of literature which contains that teaching, preferably a scan if possible.

i have a vague memory of hearing something along those lines as a child and don't know if it was part of jw teaching or just something my family taught us.

Cath

Oh dear, I didn't mean self-love as in masturbation but thanks anyway JTP. That vague memory I have of being taught that we shouldn't love ourselves goes back about 30 - 40 years Peppermint, I think well before George Benson became JW so it could well be a teaching that changed as with so many others since I was a child.

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Self love

by Cath in

is there anyone out there who remembers being taught by the wt that love of the self was sinful?

if so will you please point me to a piece of literature which contains that teaching, preferably a scan if possible.

i have a vague memory of hearing something along those lines as a child and don't know if it was part of jw teaching or just something my family taught us.

Cath

Is there anyone out there who remembers being taught by the WT that love of the self was sinful? If so will you please point me to a piece of literature which contains that teaching, preferably a scan if possible. I have a vague memory of hearing something along those lines as a child and don't know if it was part of JW teaching or just something my family taught us. Any info would be most welcome as I don't have access to older material. Thanks.

Cath

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Thank you and goodbye.

by Cath in

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friends

i have been coming to this forum since around september 2001 and although i haven't had much to say i have gained a lot by just coming here and reading.

i have laughed and cried and got really angry along with posters here and have enjoyed most of my time here.

now i am moving to the country to be with my daughter and her kids and i won't have internet access there which is a good thing because it will get me out from behind this screen.

Cath

Well I am all packed now and naturally the puter is the absolute last thing to be put away. LOL. Just dropped in one last time ( couldn't help myself ) to say thanks to you all for wishing me well and that I will miss ya's all.

Hmmmmm.........the library you say. LOL. Well maybe after a bit of a break.

Keep fighting the good fight everyone. I will be with you all in spirit.

Ciao, Cath. xxx

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Thank you and goodbye.

by Cath in

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friends

i have been coming to this forum since around september 2001 and although i haven't had much to say i have gained a lot by just coming here and reading.

i have laughed and cried and got really angry along with posters here and have enjoyed most of my time here.

now i am moving to the country to be with my daughter and her kids and i won't have internet access there which is a good thing because it will get me out from behind this screen.

Cath

I have been coming to this forum since around September 2001 and although I haven't had much to say I have gained a lot by just coming here and reading. I have laughed and cried and got really angry along with posters here and have enjoyed most of my time here.

Now I am moving to the country to be with my daughter and her kids and I won't have internet access there which is a good thing because it will get me out from behind this screen. I have become so addicted that as soon as I wake up I turn on the computer and I am here, so that can't be good. I find it is making me more depressed.

Anyhow I have been given the gift of time as my d'ability pension is not up for review for five years so I intend to make use of that time by just "being" until the end of the year and then I am going to study and put my life experience to good use helping others in some way.

I thank you all for being here and trying to help each other and myself and I wish all the best to everyone.

Love Cath

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BURP!

by sleepy in

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friends

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burp!.

sorry

Cath

Ok I cant resist. Did you swallow the spider to catch the fly that made you BURP? LMAO

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Fight with daughter

by Cath in

i don't post too often and this is really hard for me to do but i just have to vent about this.. i have had my answering machine take any incoming calls for the last couple of days because i am really not in the mood for talking to anyone apart from my daughters at this point in time, so i pick up only if it is one of them.. well i picked up tonight as it was my eldest and us being very close i always tell her what is going on in my life/head etc.

she is a mother herself but never was a jw as i swore i would never force that on my girls or anyone else.

she thanks me for that because her three children are free of fear and normal well adjusted kids.

Cath

Hi avengers,

Yes I still have family in the borg as well so I know how it feels and I was frightened of losing another member of my family due to a silly argument that never needed to happen. I just couldn't bear the thought of that happening which is why I vented to you guys instead of my daughter. I didn't want to inflame an already bad situation. Whats really ironic is that she told me also to get off this board as it was "full of everyone else's issues and could do me no good". Little does she know that it was exactly the people on this board that helped me more than she. I would NEVER tell her that though.

Sirona,

Thanks so much for your concern. I got an SMS message from her tonight saying that she wanted to say she was sorry that she said some hurtful things but that she was frustrated with concern for me as my daughter. I messaged her back saying that I would talk to her tomorrow so that I have a bit more time to let her and me calm right down. I wish I could visit her but she lives 250kms away and I doubt that my old bomb would make it that far. It seems we may be on the right track thank goodness. My ex husband (not her father) has to take some credit here as well because she had phoned him when she couldn't raise me and he talked to her. He used to be a union convenor, LOL, so he has had plenty of experience in negotiations bless him.

Love to you both,

Cath

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I MAY HAVE HIT BOTTOM

by BONEZZ in

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friends

i thought i'd hit it several times before...as i have been thru the divorce over the past couple of years...lost all my so-called friends...lost my belief in what i thought was the "truth"....and now my own loving daughter, being the good little dub she is has told me she doesn't want me to walk her down the aisle at her wedding.

she told me today at lunch.

i almost threw up.

Cath

(((((((Bonezz)))))),

I have just been dealing with the hurt my daughter caused me. I know that if my girls father was not allowed to walk them down the aisle it would devestate him and he never was a dub. You bring up your kids and you think you have done the right thing by them only to be kicked in the teeth. I don't know what to say but I wish you well.

PandaJ, how insensitive can you get. Bonezz may or may not have brought his children up in the borg but you can be quite certain he brought them up with only love for them and trying to do the best for them and in that case I do believe he is the innocent victim. OF THE WATHTOWER CULT. If he had known from the beginning that they were evil then do you think he would have subjected his kids to thier control? I think not.

All the very best to you Bonezz and hang in there.

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Fight with daughter

by Cath in

i don't post too often and this is really hard for me to do but i just have to vent about this.. i have had my answering machine take any incoming calls for the last couple of days because i am really not in the mood for talking to anyone apart from my daughters at this point in time, so i pick up only if it is one of them.. well i picked up tonight as it was my eldest and us being very close i always tell her what is going on in my life/head etc.

she is a mother herself but never was a jw as i swore i would never force that on my girls or anyone else.

she thanks me for that because her three children are free of fear and normal well adjusted kids.

Cath

Thanks for the words of encouragement people.

(((((((((Sirona))))))))),

I know you have struggles of your own and I'm sorry I have not acknowledged yours when I have seen your posts. I guess I have been wrapped up in my own misery too much. I do hope all is going well for you now .I still have the phone off the hook for the moment until I work out how I am going to handle it but I am a lot calmer now so it should be easier. Thank you, you are a sweet angel.

JanH,

You are right I think in that there is no rush but I have lived my whole life wanting to get things or do things now because the big A was just around the corner. It is therefore hard to forget that mindset and the certainty that you are going to die. Thank you for reminding me about the uncertainty of life and your encouragement and I mean that sincerely.

outoftheorg,

Thank you also for your advice. My problem has been that I haven't been able to trust anyone apart from my girls so I guess that maybe it is too much for them judging by what happened. I am also a very shy person so posting here is very hard. I actually was going to ask Simon to delete my post straight away but I am glad I hung out on that because of the freindship and advice from poeple who DO know where I'm at. I am going to TRY and be more regular on this board as I think it could help to interact with people more because it has really helped in this instance.

joelbear,

You have hit the nail squarely on the head I think because yes people do think my decisions are silly but they are MY decisions. I have been through my life letting others make my decisions for me due to the conditioning of being raised in the borg and now I HAVE to make mistakes to grow. I know that but my daughter doesn't understand it as she has always had the right to make her own decisions. I guess she will only understand when her kids get to that decision making age themselves. Thanks for understanding.

Hugs and love to you all for not judging me. I am now feeling good enough to be able to put the phone back on the hook and turn my mobile phone back on. Thanks again.

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Fight with daughter

by Cath in

i don't post too often and this is really hard for me to do but i just have to vent about this.. i have had my answering machine take any incoming calls for the last couple of days because i am really not in the mood for talking to anyone apart from my daughters at this point in time, so i pick up only if it is one of them.. well i picked up tonight as it was my eldest and us being very close i always tell her what is going on in my life/head etc.

she is a mother herself but never was a jw as i swore i would never force that on my girls or anyone else.

she thanks me for that because her three children are free of fear and normal well adjusted kids.

Cath

I don't post too often and this is really hard for me to do but I just have to vent about this.

I have had my answering machine take any incoming calls for the last couple of days because I am really not in the mood for talking to anyone apart from my daughters at this point in time, so I pick up only if it is one of them.

Well I picked up tonight as it was my eldest and us being very close I always tell her what is going on in my life/head etc. She is a mother herself but never was a jw as I swore I would never force that on my girls or anyone else. She thanks me for that because her three children are free of fear and normal well adjusted kids. I have filled her in on all the b/s regarding the jws.

I have tried to let her know what it is like for me to find out after 30 years that I was living a lie, not even thinking I had a future except death at the big A because I couldn't live the way they wanted me to. Now all of a sudden I have a future and am very confused. I am also going through the change of life and my second marriage ended in January this year and I have heaps of issues still with sexual abuse and incest and my twin sis dying recently etc etc. I am also trying to find something to believe in and going to therapy helps heaps but can't take away the depression and I tend to get very teary quite often.

Anyway tonight I was teary and I wish I hadn't picked up because as usual we got into quite deep discussion about the purpose of life and spiritual paths etc, but she just couldn't see where I was coming from and I don't blame her for that. I just told her that I thought there was more to life and that I wanted to know what my life path was and told her that I was thinking of having a regression done and an astrological chart. Well you'd have thought I had asked her to kill the dog or something. She went right off at me and told me to pull my socks up which I didn't handle too well but let her get away with because I love her. She was shouting at me over the phone so I asked her very calmly to stop getting so het up and talk quietly. That made her even worse so I just held the phone away from my ear and when I could get a word in edgewise I asked if she had finished shouting at me and she hung up on me.

I am hurting really bad as she is the only one of my daughters that I have regular contact with because the other two are o/s. They are my only family. I have had the phone off the hook since then and don't know if I can ever talk to her about my issues again. Maybe it was too much for her but she is 28 and I thought she could handle it after all we have been through together. We have always talked about everything. She even dumped on my therapist saying he was twisting my mind but he has never tried to influence my thoughts or beliefs etc and I couldn't even defend him because of her ranting and shouting. So now I don't know what to do.

I feel like phoning her and giving her a serve about treating me like a child or her hated ex. I feel like I am on the edge of a precipice. I have the tightest band around my head, I am shaking internally and externally and am only just keeping it together enough to post this. As if I needed someone I thought I could trust doing this to me. Yeah right! I have PTSD MDD and anxiety so this has really rattled me. I don't have anyone else to talk to so you all are it. Sorry.