I had an uncle (actually my aunt's husband) who believed that "the elite" knew of 'secret passages' to 'another layer' beneath the earth's surface - not just a system of underground dwellings but a whole other 'surface' like the one we're on. I believe he got the idea from Nexus magazine.
Posts by Jeffro
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47just when you think you've made friends with a "normal" person
by Hortensia inrode over to the farmer's market with a couple of neighbors, nice women, seem sensible.
the driver stopped in the middle of a block and stared at the coca-cola truck that was parked there.
she said, "do you see the round tower?
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When did Theology Last add something to Human Knowledge?
by cofty into illustrate my question.... i am watching an episode of the australian tv program "q & a" on youtube.
the panel includes the brilliant laurence krauss, gay bishop gene robinson, the woefully ignorant and bigoted rev fred nile and a few others.. the early questions put gene robinson under the spotlight and to be fair he comes across as a loving, compassionate, intelligent and - in his own words - "fabulous" person.
by contrast the reverend nile is a caricature of everything that is dispicable and hateful about theism.. a self-righteous young man in the audience asks gene how he deals with the bible's condemnation of homosexuality.
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Jeffro
cofty:
When did Theology Last add something to Human Knowledge?
Does trying to tell tec where to find verses in the gospels count?
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When did Theology Last add something to Human Knowledge?
by cofty into illustrate my question.... i am watching an episode of the australian tv program "q & a" on youtube.
the panel includes the brilliant laurence krauss, gay bishop gene robinson, the woefully ignorant and bigoted rev fred nile and a few others.. the early questions put gene robinson under the spotlight and to be fair he comes across as a loving, compassionate, intelligent and - in his own words - "fabulous" person.
by contrast the reverend nile is a caricature of everything that is dispicable and hateful about theism.. a self-righteous young man in the audience asks gene how he deals with the bible's condemnation of homosexuality.
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Jeffro
People should let religion die gracefully. But probably not yet. There are still too many people who need it as either a crutch or stepping stone.
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Oops I did it again. Another mistake
by KariOtt inso it seems i made another mistake.
i expressed negative feelings to my hubby.
i'm not allowed to express anything but positive emotions.
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KariOtt:
Yes I know I'm in an abusive relationship. Abuse is all I know. Don't think I'll ever escape.
Don't think like that. Start by modifying your own behaviour.
Scully has given some excellent advice above about gaining your own independence. Do it!
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Are JWs more tight with money than normal people?
by Julia Orwell inactually, in my experience, i have not found them to be tighter or more generous with money.
i've found them to be about the same with handling money as non-jws, though less likely to invest their money, but unlikely to waste it on cigarettes, pubs/clubs and gambling like many non-jws do.
i certainly don't find them tighter or stingier than normal people though, and slightly more honest.. what are your experiences with jws and money compared to non-jws and money?.
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Julia Orwell:
My non-JW dad, who is on a very modest income, always tips.
I think your sample size is too small to reliably indicate a trend.
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New JW Bible nickname
by JWOP ini had a face to face conversation with an active jw today.
i was informed that they congregations don't like the new bible being referred to as the "gray bible", so some are starting to refer to it as the silver sword.. .
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JWOP:
some are starting to refer to it as the Silver Sword.
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Come... take the free gift of the water of life!
by tec inpeace to you all!.
for some time now, i have been arguing and debating and discussing matters of god and the spirit (who is christ).
i have tried to share as he has given me to share whenever he gives me something to share.
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Jeffro
It's funny how these people who 'definitely' hear the 'voice' of 'the Lord' never actually say anything even remotely remarkable or even slightly indicative of coming from some 'higher power'.
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Are JWs more tight with money than normal people?
by Julia Orwell inactually, in my experience, i have not found them to be tighter or more generous with money.
i've found them to be about the same with handling money as non-jws, though less likely to invest their money, but unlikely to waste it on cigarettes, pubs/clubs and gambling like many non-jws do.
i certainly don't find them tighter or stingier than normal people though, and slightly more honest.. what are your experiences with jws and money compared to non-jws and money?.
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Julia Orwell:
Here in Australia tipping is not a cultural thing and JWs pay the waiters the exact amount of the meal while non-Jws will round the payment up or throw in $5-10 if the service was good.
I'm not aware that any such clear distinction regarding JWs and non-JWs exists in regard to tipping in Australia. If there is any such correlation, it is more likely to relate to income.
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Oops I did it again. Another mistake
by KariOtt inso it seems i made another mistake.
i expressed negative feelings to my hubby.
i'm not allowed to express anything but positive emotions.
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Scully:
This is a list that I use at work in situations where I suspect a patient might be in an abusive relationship. Take from it what you will, take note of the points that apply.
Some scary things on that list. I counted 30 things each I remember that my parents used to do to each other (their might be more I've forgotten or wasn't aware of). 8 items with asterisks for my father, but only 1 for my mother. I guess we had things pretty easy.
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what do you say when a jw asks if you are back?
by losingit ini thought i sent a goodbye message on fb to two jdubs that i used to hang out with.
it sounded like goodbye to me, without saying goodbye.
here's what i wrote:.
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losingit:
By their rules, I am disfellowshipped. Even just typing those last 3 words made me feel ill. I AM NOT DISFELLOWSHIPPED!
If you're not a member of their organisation, their semantics don't apply to you. Just ignore whatever status the Watch Tower Society imagines you might have. If you don't consider yourself 'disfellowshipped', don't use the term.
Probably something along these lines.... I still love God, and that I have not left Him. Am I back to the meetings? As a Witness? No, my heart could not bear being shunned by people I called my dear friends. Entering the KH just hurt me too much. I am still the same person, the same chick from XXXX that wants to do the right thing. If you want to hang out on those terms, that I would be more than happy. I suspect that you will choose not to. Just know that it was the shunning that caused me to leave the organization.
Why?? You shouldn't have to negotiate a 'contract' with someone who's supposed to be your friend. Use natural language. There's no reason to mention your religious beliefs at all. If they insist on prying into your life or labelling you with JW semantics, you're probably better off without them.