Posts by Jeffro

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OMG I'm so happy!!!!

by Julia Orwell in

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yup, the apostate is happy.

i shouldn't be, right, because my life is empty without "jehovah" and the organisation.. but i just got a job at one of the best theme parks in the world, which is so what i want to do, and it's the first permanent job i've had since i lost my government job in 2012!.

the job pays minimum wage but i don't care because working in tourism and entertainment is what i want to do!

Jeffro

Yay.

Can you give out free tickets?

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What proof do we have that Moses was a real person???

by jam in

i personally believe moses was largely or entirely mythical.

is because much of his biography, if not most of it, is tied to events.

that never happened, meaning that a historical moses could not .

Jeffro

villagegirl:

The Torah, (first five book of the Bible, known to the Jews as The Law ) is the basis of all Western legal systems.

Hardly! More than half of the 'Ten Commandments' (assuming you mean the first ten at Exodus 20:2-17) are not recognised as laws at all in modern secular legal systems, and the first four are specifically protected against by Human Rights laws regarding freedom of worship.

The second set of Ten Commandments at Exodus 34:11-26 after Moses supposedly smashed the first set are even less relevant to modern legal systems. And only 3 bear any resemblance to any of the first set. (Slavery's fine, but you'd sure as hell better make sure you don't "boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.")

Beyond those ten (twenty?), the laws of most 'Western legal systems' protect people from things that are in 'The Law'. You can't go around raping virgins and then forcing them to marry you (Deuteronomy 22:28-29), killing foreigners and abducting their virgin daughters as sex slaves (Number 31:16-19), or forcing foreigners and their children into permanent slavery (Numbers 25:44-46), because modern laws protect against those things.

The basis of the American Constitution is based on Torah.

Rubbish. The US Constitution explicitly indicates separation from religion. And the 'one nation under God' and 'in God we trust' nonsense wasn't brought in until the 1950s.

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WT's 1914 vs. Jesus Christ's Message on Matthew 24:36 & Acts 1:6

by ProfCNJ in

this striking thought just came into my mind.. our lord jesus christ said: "concerning that day and hour, nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the son, but only the father.

for just as the days of noah were, so the presence of the son of man will be.

" matthew 24: 36-37 (revised new world translation or rnwt).

Jeffro

ProfCNJ:

The message is clear from both verses: Only the Father knows that day - the presence or coming of the Son of Man - whichever way you want to put it.

JW dogma about 607 and 1914 is, of course, entirely indefensible. From the butchering of the history of the Neo-Babylonian period right through to the changed claims about what Charles Taze Russell predicted for 1914, it's a lie, plain and simple.

But arguments about Matthew 24:36 & Acts 1:6 only go so far, because they only really say that no one else knew at the time of writing. (Not to mention the fact that those stories are entirely unverifiable anyway.) Saying that no one then knew when it 'would' happen doesn't really suggest that no one else could ever know.

Far better to stick to the fact that JW claims about 607 and 1914 are just plain wrong.

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WITNESSES FEAR THE TRUTH - WIKIPEDIA

by The Searcher in

every time i submit the following update to wikipeda - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kingdom_hall#funding - some poor deluded individual/s keeps deleting.. i wonder who it could be?????????.

"as of may 2014, the funding of kingdom hall construction around the world has changed, as per the instructions of the governing body's letter to all congregations, downloadable from this link - http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/279067/1/2014-03-29-boe-confidentials-pdf-adjustment-to-financing-kingdom-hall-and-assembly-hall-construction-worldwide.

the previous form of funding was facilitated by entirely by voluntary donations.

Jeffro

Vidiot:

But, they are 'anti' or 'pro'!!!
They are!!! They are!!!!
Everything is black or white!!! There are no shades of grey!!!!!!

I find your excessive use of exclamation marks strangely compelling.

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Why was the Book of Enoch omitted from the Bible..

by jam in

the book of enoch taught women magic, the art of war.

and cosmetic..they felt this book was too far out in left field.. the show "bible secrets revealed".. ok, magic vs having a monster baby by a angel.. so happy they omitted that book, otherwise women would.

be leaders of the militaries.

Jeffro

Apognophos:

I still think there's an important distinction between things that God did himself, to which the reader does not apply common sense because they're miraculous acts, and the idea of a 450 foot man.

You never know. They accept the dimensions for Solomon's temple and the amounts of gold and silver it supposedly contained, even though they are physically impossible. Even if the main temple structure were a completely solid block of silver, there would be extra silver left over to go on top of the portico, which would have to be a solid block of gold 4.5 metres high.

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Why was the Book of Enoch omitted from the Bible..

by jam in

the book of enoch taught women magic, the art of war.

and cosmetic..they felt this book was too far out in left field.. the show "bible secrets revealed".. ok, magic vs having a monster baby by a angel.. so happy they omitted that book, otherwise women would.

be leaders of the militaries.

Jeffro

Apognophos:

My contention was that if something violated common sense for an early church figure, then they would be less likely to accept the book.

If a man made of dirt and a woman made from his rib being tricked into eating magical fruit by a talking snake doesn't violate common sense for an early church figure, there probably isn't much they wouldn't believe.

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1500 year old text reports Jesus not Crucified

by designs in

found in 2000 with a group of antiquity smugglers this bible contains the gospel of barnabas according to the report in the national turk.. written in aramaic this gospel account was omitted by the church during the period of the council of nicea.. the text maintains a story similar to islam regarding jesus being a great prophet.. is has a reported value of $28million and is said to be in the museum of ankara.. http://moorishharem.com/culture-detail/1500-year-old-bible-that-jesus-christ-was-not-crucified-vatican-in-awe/.

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Jeffro

dabster:

Very well established, Jeffro? Paul seems to have believed that Adam had existed every bit as much as Jesus did and does. "For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive" (1 Corinthians 15:22).

That's an indication that Paul is also wrong, not that Adam was real. And yes, it's an extremely well-established fact that humans have been around for significantly longer than 6000 years, and that the first human wasn't a golem in a fairytale garden until he was tricked by a rib-woman and a talking snake into eating magical fruit.

Cold Steel:

You're correct to say that if Adam didn't exist, then Jesus would not be required to make the atonement which would bring us back to God. Where many disagree, however, is that we don't believe that it's a well established fact that Adam never existed.

Oh, you believe in a literal Adam around 6000 years ago. That's cute. A little sad. But cute.

Did men leave the trees for caves and evolve into hunter-gatherers? Did he go from uncivilized, uneducated and base to what he is now?

Apart from the crude and simplistic analogy of 'leaving the trees', yes. Simple systems become more complex over time. That's a quite fundamental concept. Claiming otherwise is like claiming that people have always flown in aeroplanes rather than benefiting from the gradual development from simple concepts to complex understanding of physics and engineering.

Or was he created and placed on this world by a Supreme Intelligence who taught him and gave him the benefit of revelation?

There is no evidence or precedent for such a thing.

If one looks at the quality and quantity of divine revelation, of prophecy that was fulfilled to the last dot and tittle, it's difficult to explain away. Daniel's vision of the empires from Babylonian to the Romans:

In chapter 2, Nebuchadnezzar dreams of a statue with body parts made of different materials, which Daniel then interprets as four kingdoms:
1. Head of gold Interpretation given: The Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar is the head of gold.[v.37-38]
2. Chest and arms of silver Interpretation given: After Nebuchadnezzar an inferior kingdom shall arise. [v.39] Medes & Persians
3. Belly and thighs of bronze Interpretation given: A third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. [v.39] Greeks (Alexander the Great).
4. Legs of iron with feet of iron and clay Interpretation given: A fourth kingdom, strong as iron. [v.40] Rome, divided into East and West
5. The feet and toes partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, show it shall be a divided kingdom. [v.41] Emergence of nation states

Since Daniel was written in the 2nd century BCE, it's unsurprising that it's accurate about World Powers up until that time.

Daniel 2:40 bears little resemblance to the claimed interpretation of "Rome, divided into East and West", which is just as spurious as the claim that a mixture of 'clay and iron' represents 'nation states' that are in some way different to previous nations.

Outside of Christian dogma, the actual 'interpretation' is:

Head - Babylonians
Chest and arms - Medes
Belly and thighs - Persians
Legs - Greeks
Feet - Seleucids and Ptolemies

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Why was the Book of Enoch omitted from the Bible..

by jam in

the book of enoch taught women magic, the art of war.

and cosmetic..they felt this book was too far out in left field.. the show "bible secrets revealed".. ok, magic vs having a monster baby by a angel.. so happy they omitted that book, otherwise women would.

be leaders of the militaries.

Jeffro

The question of the OP was why the Book of Enoch was omitted, not "Does the Bible accord with modern science?".

I don't see much reason for concluding that the reason for rejecting the book of Enoch was that it was more ridiculous than much of the content that was retained. The people who decided what to keep weren't exactly the greatest scientific minds to ever walk the earth. Lots of things were omitted from the 'canon' and many that were kept contradict each other.

Even worse, the Watch Tower Society insists that the books accepted by so-called 'apostate Christians' are necessarily and exclusively the ones that are 'inspired'.

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WITNESSES FEAR THE TRUTH - WIKIPEDIA

by The Searcher in

every time i submit the following update to wikipeda - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kingdom_hall#funding - some poor deluded individual/s keeps deleting.. i wonder who it could be?????????.

"as of may 2014, the funding of kingdom hall construction around the world has changed, as per the instructions of the governing body's letter to all congregations, downloadable from this link - http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/279067/1/2014-03-29-boe-confidentials-pdf-adjustment-to-financing-kingdom-hall-and-assembly-hall-construction-worldwide.

the previous form of funding was facilitated by entirely by voluntary donations.

Jeffro

Zoos:

Does WIKI just delete without explanation? No reference to a TOS violation? Anything?

Very clear reasons were given for removal of the edits in question, with specific references to Wikipedia policy, by various editors.

Like many disgruntled editors who don't understand Wikipedia's policies and make no effort to find out, 'The Searcher' instead assumes that anyone who removes their edits for any reason 'must' be 'pro' or 'anti' whatever it is the rampaging editor is trying to rant about.

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WITNESSES FEAR THE TRUTH - WIKIPEDIA

by The Searcher in

every time i submit the following update to wikipeda - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kingdom_hall#funding - some poor deluded individual/s keeps deleting.. i wonder who it could be?????????.

"as of may 2014, the funding of kingdom hall construction around the world has changed, as per the instructions of the governing body's letter to all congregations, downloadable from this link - http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/279067/1/2014-03-29-boe-confidentials-pdf-adjustment-to-financing-kingdom-hall-and-assembly-hall-construction-worldwide.

the previous form of funding was facilitated by entirely by voluntary donations.

Jeffro

The Searcher:

Or is it only topics which could upset your beloved G.B?

More evidence that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.