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  The 1950s NWT (1984)

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  i did a video on this subject once but feel this is a noteworthy topic.

  to be honest the old nwt has come under sonsiderable attack from fundie morons attacking it's nt which was translated with a few revisals in 1950.the truth is john 1:1 and 8:58 and other texts, though despite being odd, are within the translation rules as are the inclusion of the word {other} since this was stated in the forward as an interpolation.

  jehovah in the nt is odd but certianly lacking as other translations have added more yhwh.. so the ot?

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  Jeffro

  I guess the NWT decided a mallow plant as they did in the 2013 NWT. But in the 1950-1984 era they chose this hilarous line:

  Will tasteless things be eaten without salt,Or is there any taste in the slimy juice of marshmallow?

  I'm stumped at this.

  The original meaning of the English word "marshmallow" was indeed the 'mallow plant' (that is, mallows that grow in marshes). The modern confectionery is named after the plant because it was, in antiquity, made from that plant. So they weren't actually wrong with this one.
  
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  The 1950s NWT (1984)

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i did a video on this subject once but feel this is a noteworthy topic.

  to be honest the old nwt has come under sonsiderable attack from fundie morons attacking it's nt which was translated with a few revisals in 1950.the truth is john 1:1 and 8:58 and other texts, though despite being odd, are within the translation rules as are the inclusion of the word {other} since this was stated in the forward as an interpolation.

  jehovah in the nt is odd but certianly lacking as other translations have added more yhwh.. so the ot?

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  Jeffro

  2. Dungy idols. Now let's be honset. It's not in the text. Only a foold would do this.

  Their 'reasoning' for this actually quite odd. Their argument is that the word translated 'idol' (גִּלּוּל, Strong’s H1544) is related to a word for 'ball of dung' (גֵּלֶל, Strong’s H1561). However, the only connection is that the root etymology of both words is related to the concept of 'rolling'.
  
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  Members or Individuals

  by Dazed_Confussed in

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  any truth to the thought that instead of being considered "members" of the jw organization, that they will shortly be considered only as "individuals" of the organization?.

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  Jeffro

  Yes. ‘Members’ was removed from the 2020 revisions of ‘Shepherd the Flock of God’ and ‘Pure Worship—Restored At Last’. In the case of the latter, it is the only change made in that revision, so they must consider it necessary. Almost certainly for legal reasons related to reducing organisational liability. (It’s not just a doctrinal thing because they still use ‘members’ when referring to ‘first-century Christians’.)
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  2021 Regional Convention (will be prerecorded again)

  by Designer Stubble in

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  **announcement october 28, 2020 for congregations** .

  [read after the watchtower study the week of october 26, 2020.\] 2021 regional convention: many have expressed great appreciation for the special arrangement to benefit from the 2020 regional convention during this coronavirus pandemic.

  because of the uncertainty of holding large gatherings in 2021 and the evidence of jehovah’s blessing on this year’s convention program, the governing body recently approved the following arrangements for the 2021 regional convention program.

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  “Evidence” 🤣
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  Is the WT changing the 1914 teaching now?

  by nonjwspouse in

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  i've been absent from the forum for about 10 months while deep into a divorce and working long hours.i heard mention in another thread about a change in 1914. is this actually being taught?

  i'm very curious.

  a extended non jw family member of my soon to be ex spouse finally decided to really do the deep investigation on the jw, and is in the phase of wanting to "ask the direct questions" and inform them of the facts of the jws.

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  Jeffro

  Changes to their generation definition have been made over the last 25 years to reduce their dependence on the ‘short time’ since 1914. But there has been no recent formal change to the 1914 doctrine as the start of the kingdom which is still required as a basis for their supposed selection in 1919. If anything, they’ve doubled down on it. I’ve covered various aspects of this in my review of their Pure Worship book, particularly chapters 8 to 12, 16 and 20.
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  The Myth of being "Spirit Appointed"

  by BluesBrother in

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  back in the first century we read that the apostles would "lay their hands" on someone and the holy spirit would be imparted to that one.

  appointments of older men were made in this way - at that time.

  in modern times the wts has claimed that their own elders ,min.

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  The term "holy spirit" is not well defined in the Bible, but whatever it is that it is 'supposed' to be (in the context of the story), Acts 19:2 indicates that it definitely isn't what JWs say it is. If the 'holy spirit' really were just 'God's power', then the disciples of John the Baptist certainly wouldn't say, "we have never heard that there is a holy spirit".
  
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  Prime Minister of Australia announces intention to revoke Jehovah’s Witnesses charity status

  by jwleaks in

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  today, marking the second anniversary of the australian national apology to victims and survivors of institutional child sexual abuse, the prime minister of australia has announce in federal parliament the intention to place sanctions against the jehovah’s witnesses in relation to child sexual abuse.. quote from prime minister:.

  the royal commission [into institutional response to child sexual abuse], the [national] apology [to victims and survivors of institutional child sexual abuse] and these yearly reports are about accountability: bringing the truth into the light ... we still have, reprehensibly, four institutions that have been named publicly and that have blatantly refused to join the redress scheme.

  they are jehovah's witnesses ... it's not acceptable.

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  In addition to not wanting the financial obligations, as well as not wanting to acknowledge any problem with their policies, the GB also might think that publicly joining such a scheme (that primarily involves other religious organisations) may be perceived as a form of ‘interfaith’.

  I suspect that it won’t be specifically covered on their website because that is not easily achieved without drawing attention to their mishandling of abuse cases. But the site might generically bundle Australia in among ‘lands’ where JWs face ‘persecution’.
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  1914 a doctrinal lie that created an entire religion the Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when you think about it the jws was foundationaly created upon a single core doctrine which was created close to a 100 years ago, that is the doctrinal year of 1914 .. the leader(s) of the ibsa in 1919 proclaimed that jehovah had selectively chosen them or him as it were by j. rutherford, they also self identified themselves as the anointed class the faithful slave.. from all of these expressive endeavors a new religion sprung up eventually calling themselves the jehovah's witnesses.

  years and decades followed where more and more people were lured into the faith making themselves subservient devoted members as well, some also identifying themselves as the anointed class.

  the jws proclaimed through their leaders (gb) that they were true loyal witnesses to jehovah's will and purpose, but were they really ?

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  Jeffro

  Finkelstein:

  The leader(s) of the IBSA in 1919 proclaimed that Jehovah had selectively chosen them or him as it were by J. Rutherford, they also self identified themselves as the anointed class the Faithful Slave.

  But that's not what actually happened. The claim that they were 'chosen' in 1919 was invented much later.

  I've dealt with this more here in my review of Pure Worship—Restored at Last, in response to the 'Teaching Box' that attempts to defend their 'selection' of 1919.
  
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  JW's Not Members anymore but Individuals

  by pistolpete in

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  i've been waiting for someone to post this and i've haven't seen it yet, perhaps i overlooked it since i don't visit that often.. but here is the link to the discussion.

  in it you will find letters and links to this new light.

  whether it's true or not, please verify.. as of .

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  References to congregation "members" were also removed from the August 2020 revision of Pure Worship, those being the only changes made in that revision.
  
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  Anthony Morris depicts ex-members as ''Despicable Apostates''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  here is one of the many commandments jesus instructed his twelve apostles to keep, follow, and obey!.

  here is anthony morris ( supposedly selected by jehovah to keep, follow and obey the sayings of jesus ) name-calling and condemning enemies!

  the pharisees used to label people as well.

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  Awake!, 22 June 2000, page 6:
  

  Name-Calling
  Some people insult those who disagree with them by questioning character or motives instead of focusing on the facts. Name-calling slaps a negative, easy-to-remember label onto a person, a group, or an idea. The name-caller hopes that the label will stick. If people reject the person or the idea on the basis of the negative label instead of weighing the evidence for themselves, the name-caller’s strategy has worked.