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  Will JWs throw you under the bus if you have a transfusion?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mark writes.

  "if a person accepts a blood transfusion, the jehovah’s witness elders are required to “investigate” to see if the person is sorry for “cowardly” saving their life.

  if the person doesnt beg and grovel to the elders for allowing the doctor to save their life (or that of their child) then the elders can take this as a sign that he/she has disassociated from the congregation - and tell the congregation to start shunning them.. if someone willingly takes blood, perhaps because of being under extreme pressure, the committee should obtain the facts and determine the individual’s attitude.

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  Jeffro

  Will JWs throw you under the bus if

  Regardless of how that sentence ends, the answer is generally ‘yes’.
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  Are the statistics out yet?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  isn’t it about time they released the report for the service year?

  or have they stopped publishing it?

  did they released selected figures at the annual meeting as they usually do, such as the memorial attendance or record number of pioneers?

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  slimboyfat:

  I was responding to Hopeless1, and before I read your post.

  Sorry about that.

  I seem to recall it being published on Boxing Day in previous years.

  There isn’t any exact date. The release of the report has varied each year since the yearbooks were discontinued in 2017.
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  Are the statistics out yet?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  isn’t it about time they released the report for the service year?

  or have they stopped publishing it?

  did they released selected figures at the annual meeting as they usually do, such as the memorial attendance or record number of pioneers?

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  slimboyfat:

  Thanks, but from my reading of that announcement it sounds like the 2022 report will be published as normal.

  Yes, which will likely be “in the last week of December or first week of January”.
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  Are the statistics out yet?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  isn’t it about time they released the report for the service year?

  or have they stopped publishing it?

  did they released selected figures at the annual meeting as they usually do, such as the memorial attendance or record number of pioneers?

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  Jeffro

  It is generally released in the last week of December or first week of January.

  In the January 2023 Watchtower they boast about the attendance of the 2021 Memorial but there has been no mention so far of the 2022 attendance, suggesting the 2022 attendance was less impressive.
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  Who raised Jesus from the dead?

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

  (bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

  galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

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  Blotty:

  burden of proof lies on atheist's to disprove majority of scholars on Jesus never existing
  the "never left any writings argument" is extremely weak

  Is that meant to be satire? Whether Jesus existed isn’t relevant to atheism, so atheists obviously have no burden of proof to ‘disprove Jesus’ existence’. The broad scholarly consensus is that Jesus likely existed but was not magical (though this is usually dressed up with loaded words like ‘divine’, which doesn’t have any actual clear meaning) . Though some atheists might also hold a view that Jesus didn’t exist at all, that isn’t a majority view or one that is specific to atheism. It is entirely mundane that there may have been an itinerant rabbi in the first century who was executed by the Romans about whom stories were later embellished.

  My great grandmother never left any writings (nothing for that matter) are you going to dispute she existed?

  🤦‍♂️ That is an especially poor analogy since your great grandmother necessarily existed in order to have descendants. Are you suggesting Jesus had children? Talk about ‘burden of proof’! 😂 Seriously, this is meant to be satire, right?!
  
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  Who raised Jesus from the dead?

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

  (bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

  galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

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  Disillusioned JW:

  As a result of the above evidence and analysis, I see no need to invoke a supernaturalistic explanation (such as spirit souls) to explain terminal lucidity in humans with minimal intact brain tissue.

  Good research too. But somehow I doubt this will be accepted by Sea Breeze. Because, as long as there are any ‘unexplained’ medical conditions, they will be chalked up as a caveat that ‘naturalism can’t explain everything’, with the tediously fallacious ‘conclusion’ that this somehow lends support to stories about ‘souls’. Sea Breeze has grossly disproportionate expectations regarding standard of evidence for naturalistic explanations compared to their own entirely baseless conclusions about ‘souls’ that can’t be properly defined, verified, or distinguished from any other real or imagined explanation. And this is why I have not made the effort to accede to their demands for ‘explanations’ for ‘terminal lucidity’, instances of which have declined greatly since the 19th century as understanding of neurology and related physiology has increased.
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  What really is UN doing with religions?

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  occult un forces seek to hijack religion for globalism.

  https://thenewamerican.com/occult-un-forces-seek-to-hijack-religion-for-globalism/it does not look like religions dominate un but the other way around.

  journalist alex newman gives a totally different picture about the real state of affairs.

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  Beth Sarim:

  That's why the Borg is/was part of the UN for 9 years, and got caught.

  The JWs were never ‘part of the UN”, and it is important to get these details right because JWs will be quick to say ‘apostates are lying’. They were associated with the UN’s Department of Public Information as an NGO, which is not at all ‘membership’. However, it was hypocritical because one of the requirements of the NGO association is to promote the UN’s activities and goals, examples of which they had to provide to the DPI. There were various Awake! articles to that effect during the 1990s. Obviously, being recognised as a valid religious denomination by the UN DPI would have its advantages particularly when dealing with other government bodies. (Also, the Watch Tower Society claim, after being caught out, that this status was required to get access to the UN library is a lie.)
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  Will 2022 Service Year Report of Jehovah’s Witnesses Worldwide include Data on Miscarriages and Reports of Menstrual Hemorrhages?

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  was watchtower given $$$ for their pro vaccine stance?

  and how much?.

  shocking vaers data reveals 4070% increase in miscarriages — naomi wolf interview - graph at 6:10. https://rumble.com/v21t1em-shocking-vaers-data-reveals-4070-increase-in-miscarriages-naomi-wolf-interv.html?mref=9qiox&mrefc=2.

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  Who raised Jesus from the dead?

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

  (bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

  galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

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  Sea Breeze:

  If I give you a memory stick full of information, it weighes exactly the same as an empty memory stick doesn't it? It has no mass. Yet it is very real.

  This statement well illustrates Sea Breeze’s general irrationality. People assign meaning to certain configurations of matter. It is plainly stupid to expect that a memory stick ‘containing’ information that people consider useful would weigh more than one that has no meaningful data. Of course, a ‘blank’ memory stick contains the same number of bits as a ‘full’ one but more meaning is assigned to certain configurations.

  This type of stupidity is also used by creationists who propose astronomical odds for life forming ‘randomly’. Aside from the fact that chemicals behave in ways that is not random, actually random outcomes that people consider meaningful are just as likely as any specific equally unlikely outcomes that aren’t useful. For example, the odds of dealing a randomised deck of playing cards in the right order is about 8*10^67. Impossible, someone might claim. But the odds of the cards being in any order (not just the ones deemed meaningful for the rules of any particular game) is exactly the same. Every single time that a deck of cards has been properly shuffled, the order it has been in has been a 1 in 8*10^67 event. By creationists’ logic, dealing a deck of cards is impossible.
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  Who raised Jesus from the dead?

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

  (bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

  galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

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  Jeffro

  Sea Breeze seems to imagine I’m obligated to provide explanations for anecdotes. Despite the fact that 1) the cases are anecdotal, 2) the absence of a known naturalistic explanation (especially by a layman) is not evidence of a supernatural explanation, and 3) Disillusioned JW has already provided information that includes plausible naturalistic explanations, Sea Breeze wants to keep going round in circles. But See Breeze continues to ignore their own inconsistency, refusing to provide any evidence at all for their own position. I won’t be responding further to the repetitive nonsense.