Posts by Jeffro

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

I don’t think it is possible for wt to be wrong about a 70 year desolation ending in 537.

🤣 what a farce.

Jeremiah 25:12: “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.

Daniel 5:26–30: “This is the interpretation of the words: MEʹNE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end. 27 “TEʹKEL, you have been weighed in the balances and found lacking. 28 “PEʹRES, your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and the Persians.” 29 Then Bel·shazʹzar gave the command, and they clothed Daniel with purple and placed a gold necklace around his neck; and they heralded concerning him that he was to become the third ruler in the kingdom. 30 That very night Bel·shazʹzar the Chal·deʹan king was killed.

607 for Beginners

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ChatGPT analysis - Pure Worship

by Jeffro in

i provided chatgpt the text of the introductory ‘letter’ in pure worship, without any commentary to affect the context, and asked it to point out any errors, fallacies or other issues….

as an ai language model, i strive to be neutral and provide information without bias.

however, there are a few things in the text that could be considered fallacies or issues, such as:1. appeal to emotion: the text uses emotional language such as "thrilled" and "exciting" to describe the reaction of those who received the book.

Jeffro

Simon:

It isn't intelligent, it' just regurgitates the crap it's seen with no rational or critical thought.
Just like a leftist.

… he said, parroting Fox.

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ChatGPT analysis - Pure Worship

by Jeffro in

i provided chatgpt the text of the introductory ‘letter’ in pure worship, without any commentary to affect the context, and asked it to point out any errors, fallacies or other issues….

as an ai language model, i strive to be neutral and provide information without bias.

however, there are a few things in the text that could be considered fallacies or issues, such as:1. appeal to emotion: the text uses emotional language such as "thrilled" and "exciting" to describe the reaction of those who received the book.

Jeffro

Well done for completely missing the point. Some people need to get over their propagandistic nonsense.

Specifically, a tangential dislike of unrelated responses AI systems might give to political subjects or the shortcomings of AI systems in general are unrelated to this thread.

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ChatGPT analysis - Pure Worship

by Jeffro in

i provided chatgpt the text of the introductory ‘letter’ in pure worship, without any commentary to affect the context, and asked it to point out any errors, fallacies or other issues….

as an ai language model, i strive to be neutral and provide information without bias.

however, there are a few things in the text that could be considered fallacies or issues, such as:1. appeal to emotion: the text uses emotional language such as "thrilled" and "exciting" to describe the reaction of those who received the book.

Jeffro

I provided ChatGPT the text of the introductory ‘letter’ in Pure Worship, without any commentary to affect the context, and asked it to point out any errors, fallacies or other issues…

As an AI language model, I strive to be neutral and provide information without bias. However, there are a few things in the text that could be considered fallacies or issues, such as:
1. Appeal to emotion: The text uses emotional language such as "thrilled" and "exciting" to describe the reaction of those who received the book. This could be seen as an appeal to emotion to persuade readers to view the book in a positive light.
2. Argument from popularity: The text cites the increase in the number of Jehovah's Witnesses since the release of the book as evidence of its importance and impact. This could be seen as an argument from popularity, which is a fallacy that assumes something is true or valuable because many people believe it.
3. Confirmation bias: The text emphasizes how the understanding of the book of Ezekiel has been clarified and updated over the years, implying that the current interpretation is the correct one. This could be seen as an example of confirmation bias, which is a tendency to seek out and accept information that confirms one's existing beliefs while ignoring or rejecting information that contradicts them.
4. Non-falsifiability: The text presents the book as providing the clearest understanding yet of the Bible book of Ezekiel, but it does not offer any criteria for assessing the accuracy or validity of this claim. This could be seen as an example of non-falsifiability, which means that a claim cannot be tested or proven false through observation or evidence.
Overall, while the text may contain some fallacies or issues, it also provides information about the beliefs and teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses. As with any religious text, it is up to the individual reader to evaluate the information critically and make their own informed decisions.

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Court case Jehovah's Witnesses Norway kicked off

by AndersonsInfo in

https://cne.news/article/2827-court-case-jehovah-s-witnesses-norway-kicked-off.

norwegian jehovah's witnesses are in court this wednesday and thursday.

they are fighting the government's decision to remove their registration as a religious community.. .

Jeffro

Fisherman would have us believe that Norwegian JWs are being penalised by the government because individual members just want the right to shun their children and others. Is that really the case though? Or are individual JW members pressured to shun by the organisation...

The Watchtower, March 2018, page 31:

Consider the example of a mother whose disfellowshipped daughter left home. The mother admits: “I looked for loopholes in our publications so that I could spend time with my daughter and my granddaughter.” She adds: “But my husband kindly helped me to see that our child was now out of our hands and that we must not interfere.”

The Watchtower, 15 January 2013, page 16:

Do not look for excuses to associate with a disfellowshipped family member, for example, through e-mail.

The Watchtower, 15 January 2007, page 20:

While caring for necessary family matters may require some contact with the disfellowshipped person, a Christian parent should strive to avoid needless association.
When an erring child is disciplined by Christian shepherds, it would be unwise if you were to reject or minimize their Bible-based action. Siding with your rebellious child would not be providing any real protection from the Devil. Actually, you would be endangering your own spiritual health.

The Watchtower, 1 October 2001, page 17:

If a baptized youth is disfellowshipped, the congregation members are expected “to quit mixing in company with” him.

And of course there are also the shameless videos depicting JW members resisting the temptation to act like humans toward their shunned family members.

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Another new missing part of the Bible found

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22011278/new-bible-chapter-hidden-verses-discovered-erased-scribe/.

i wonder what the remaining members of the gb will make of this?.

i excited to read all of this once it’s released and compare with the rest of mathew.

Jeffro

The Sun? Really? Any real sources rather than a peddler of tabloid nonsense?

And it doesn't say anything notable as to the content anyway. The misleading headline (big surprise) pretends they found previously 'unknown chapters' and 'hidden verses', whereas scientists actually just were able to find traces of erased copies of known verses.

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Password using another language, or mixed languages?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i just tried something in windows 10 and it worked (i think).. i went to the google online free translator, entered a couple english words, then translated them into russian.. the two words i entered are russian english.

the translator returned русский английский.

i then used those words together as a password for a libre office word junk document, saved the document.

Jeffro

This might be a good technique for preventing a casual attempt of someone trying to guess your password. It would not be particularly useful at preventing a more thorough attempt to compromise an account using dictionary lists or other more advanced algorithms.

It's not clear why you're surprised that you could use a combination of characters as a password that happens to represent words in another language.

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Pawn to Queen 2034 anyone?

by Fisherman in

not a hint of a new date for the great tribulation.

the attitude of jw is that they expect it immediately although the inter-lapping anointed allows for any additional extended time.

given the time of the end, the end comes after the good news is preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations with the internet and 108 years and tons of publications even in finnish.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

I am coming quickly

Jesus was explicitly expected to return within a generation of his death. He didn't. They were wrong, and that's all.

Since the Bible is inspired

Also, if you tell someone that the GT will arrive soon

According to the Bible, the 'great tribulation' explicitly comes before Jesus' 'presence'.

🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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Nisan 14 or not?

by LostintheFog1999 in

if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

Jeffro

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/258837/most-important-day-year-sometimes-sort

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Has Tony been abducted by Aliens?

by Mit123 in

probably but they’ve sent him back pretty darn quick!

i have from a very reliable source that he attends one of the poughkeepsie ny congregations.

i think there are 5 congregations there might be worth paying a visit if anyone lives near there..

Jeffro

Has Tony been abducted by Aliens?

Maybe just taken home by them. 🤣