Posts by Jeffro

Semantic nonsense. Congregation members haven’t been informed whether a person is ‘disfellowshipped’ or ‘disassociated’ for about 30 years anyway, or why. They just announce that the person is “no longer one of Jehovah’s witnesses”.

Will governments such as that of Norway actually be fooled by this weak chicanery?

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Have Witnesses made more false prophecies then any other religion??

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armagedon in 1914 rutherford 1925 1940's the fascist catholic take over franz 1975 and 2000 the 1914 generation will not die.

now the generation that new the generation....this must break a world record of false prophecies in any religion..

Jeffro

The Watchtower, 1 May 2014, page 3:

Doomsday prophet Harold Camping and his disciples widely advertised that the earth would be destroyed in 2011. Needless to say, the world is still here.

The irony. 😂

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2024-08-August-Edition-of-Watchtower!

by Atlantis in

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it was translated so make sure everything looks ok.. 2024-08-august-edition of watchtower magazine.. .

https://smallpdf.com/result#r=c90d948913ed99d72872c0a1c609f388&t=share-document .

leopold.

Jeffro

When we were having this discussion months ago, an amended version of the manual came out, but it did not echo these changes.

The announcement that advised of the April 2024 revision directly stated that that revision does not include the recent changes to 'disfellowshipping', which would be included in a later revision (to be released in October).

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Watchtower August leak: details from reddit user

by ukpimo in

from reddit.. a summary of changes: .

we are all sinners, so we have to be reasonable how we punish sinners.

if elders and congregation do not quickly help someone come to be reinstated they would be imitating satan the devil, not jehovah (yes that actually is what is said in the tagalog version in translation!

Jeffro

ukpimo:

I wouldn't say that the 3 stated reasons for being more likely to get disfellowshipped is a deliberate distortion

Stop trotting out this lie. The ‘3 stated reasons’ are for more caution to reinstate. Not ‘reasons for disfellowshipping’.

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Watchtower August leak: details from reddit user

by ukpimo in

from reddit.. a summary of changes: .

we are all sinners, so we have to be reasonable how we punish sinners.

if elders and congregation do not quickly help someone come to be reinstated they would be imitating satan the devil, not jehovah (yes that actually is what is said in the tagalog version in translation!

Jeffro

no-zombie:

Personally, I find that new arrangement (if true) would have a number of practical problems.
Either, other disfellowshipping matters, like fornication and drug use are now NOT disfellowshipping offenses, or the each congregational member will have to be privately informed about a Brother or Sister's new status, should they be found guilty of being unrepentant.
Because if no one knew that you were disfellowshipped, you could just pretend everything was ok and associate normally.

It’s not true. The conclusion that ‘only apostates, child abusers, or those scheming to end a marriage will be disfellowshipped’ is an erroneous misconception (or deliberate distortion).

However, there is ambiguity in the changed arrangement about greeting disfellowshipped individuals at meetings unless they’re ‘apostates’ because congregation members aren’t told the ‘reason’ for which a person was disfellowshipped.

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2024-08-August-Edition-of-Watchtower!

by Atlantis in

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it was translated so make sure everything looks ok.. 2024-08-august-edition of watchtower magazine.. .

https://smallpdf.com/result#r=c90d948913ed99d72872c0a1c609f388&t=share-document .

leopold.

Jeffro

Me, earlier:

Some aspects of these changes such as ‘no longer using the term disfellowshipping’ might appear significant

The machine-translated article that was made available actually says the term "outcast" will not be used anymore, and some reviewers have taken that as referring to the term "disfellowshipped" (and it was with those in mind that I said the above). However, it may actually indicate some other term, e.g. "expelled", that won't be used anymore. In any case, it makes no difference to the intentionally vague announcement that "[name] is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses".

The policy continues to employ emotional manipulation (actually more so) to retain members, and also continues the practice of shunning any who reject JW beliefs in favour of some other religion or no religion. I'm hopeful that governments such as that of Norway will see these paltry changes for the bait-and-switch that they are.

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Watchtower August leak: details from reddit user

by ukpimo in

from reddit.. a summary of changes: .

we are all sinners, so we have to be reasonable how we punish sinners.

if elders and congregation do not quickly help someone come to be reinstated they would be imitating satan the devil, not jehovah (yes that actually is what is said in the tagalog version in translation!

Jeffro

Beth Sarim:

If it weren't for the laws of the land,,,I believe jws could take it personally,, take matters into their own hands & do atrocious & evil things to apostates.

The Watchtower, 15 November 1952, page 703:

Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship.

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Watchtower August leak: details from reddit user

by ukpimo in

from reddit.. a summary of changes: .

we are all sinners, so we have to be reasonable how we punish sinners.

if elders and congregation do not quickly help someone come to be reinstated they would be imitating satan the devil, not jehovah (yes that actually is what is said in the tagalog version in translation!

Jeffro

ukpimo:

Announcement of disfellowshipping an unrepentant wrongdoer, either an apostate, child abuser or someone scheming to end their marriage will take place. There is NO mention of any need to announce disfellowshipping for other offences, unless I need to clarify this when we receive the English edition.

This claim is not at all supported by the machine-translated version of the article that has been made available. The categories of 'apostate, child abuser or someone scheming to end their marriage' are mentioned together only in reference to additional caution regarding reinstatement.

Apostates must be avoided, especially on social media and their websites. To send them messages is like sharing in their wicked works. This is a massive game changer, this really is BIG!

No, it's not. There is no change in position there.

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2024-08-August-Edition-of-Watchtower!

by Atlantis in

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friends

it was translated so make sure everything looks ok.. 2024-08-august-edition of watchtower magazine.. .

https://smallpdf.com/result#r=c90d948913ed99d72872c0a1c609f388&t=share-document .

leopold.

Jeffro

Some aspects of these changes such as ‘no longer using the term disfellowshipping’ might appear significant, but are just ‘smoke and mirrors’. Changing the terminology is essentially meaningless, and the term ‘disfellowshipped’ has not been included in announcements since the 1990s. Congregation members already aren’t informed whether a person is being shunned due to ‘disfellowshipping’ or ‘disassociation’, nor are they told what the person is supposed to have done.