On the series, The Practice, there is an episode where one of the characters, Rebecca, is unconscious and hospitalised after a bomb explodes in the firm's office. Her mother says she is a Jehovah's Witness (though not mentioned previously in the series), and fights the legal team in court to prevent her having a blood transfusion, despite her colleagues indicating that she had never mentioned being a Witness and had had an abortion.
Posts by Jeffro
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38Mention of Jehovah's Witnesses in popular entertainment
by enderby ini don't know if this thread has been done before, but can anybody think of times that jehovah's witnesses were made mention of or joked about in music, tv, or movies?
for example,there are a couple of simpsons episodes, one were marge alludes to being so desperate for company that jehovah's witnesses ran away when she went to get them more lemonade.
another time, two jw's approach the simpsons' house and one turns to the other just before ringing the doorbell and asks "ruby, do you ever think we should get real jobs?".
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Mention of Jehovah's Witnesses in popular entertainment
by enderby ini don't know if this thread has been done before, but can anybody think of times that jehovah's witnesses were made mention of or joked about in music, tv, or movies?
for example,there are a couple of simpsons episodes, one were marge alludes to being so desperate for company that jehovah's witnesses ran away when she went to get them more lemonade.
another time, two jw's approach the simpsons' house and one turns to the other just before ringing the doorbell and asks "ruby, do you ever think we should get real jobs?".
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Jeffro
Some of the ones I remembered have already been mentioned, but here are a couple of others I recall.
The villain in Supergirl makes reference to Jehovah's Witnesses.
In the film Run Lola Run (German title Lola rennt), in one of the montages, the middle-aged blond woman Lola runs into is seen attending a church and later standing on a street corner holding Watchtower and Awake! magazines. (The Awake! issue is 22 August 1997, dealing with Water Crisis.)
In the Damon Wayans series, My Wife and Kids, there is an episode where Michael (Wayans) dreams about having a perfect family. In the dream, his daughter enters and says she's been at the mall handing out Watchtowers. Later in the dream she announces that she is going to be a missionary and move to Guam.
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We're all hypocrites!
by free2beme ini firmly believe that if you talk to someone long enough and know someone long enough, you will learn they are a hypocrite.
i don't think anyone can remain on one theme in their life forever and stick with it, as life is just to much about change to allow this and the human experience is about learning and changing.
when i see people quote others and yell the inevitable "hypocrite" comment in their direction.
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Jeffro
"Emperor penguins grow to over a metre, which is pretty tall as far as birds go."
Thanks for this tidbit Jeffro. I'm almost 6 feet tall which makes me the tallest penguin I know. ;)
The penguin is also a contradiction in being a flightless bird. But as a friend once said to me, "penguins fly in liquid sky," so I don't let it get me down. :)
All very interesting tall penguin (if that is your real name). But I am of the opinion that the ultimate scandalous hypocrisy here is that you are indeed not a penguin at all!!! Don't you feel better now that these horrible lies have been exposed?
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Let's play a game - Follow the WTS $$ trail
by watch the tower ina huge question that i have in the back of my mind regarding the wts is where all of the money ends up.
no one really has a conclusive answer to that.
i think it would reveal a lot if we were able to find out.. i know there have been various threads in the past where it revealed a clue here and a clue there.
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Jeffro
Oroborus21:
re: Phillip Morris stock.
the Society's only option would be to reject the gift entirely which seems entirely unreasonable.
Why is this unreasonable, given the high moral ground that the Society claims to have? If members are not allowed to be employed in any capacity that presents a supposed conflict, what justifies the organization doing the same?
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All Elders Aren't Bad
by sammielee24 ini've read posts from time to time where it is obvious that people have been treated badly by either a jc or by individual elder themselves while in the society.
i can honestly say that in all my years as an elder, i have never seen this side.
most elders that i have known are committed, honest and fair minded men, who believe in what they are doing and have complete and utter faith in the organization.
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Jeffro
John Doe:
Jefro, how much backbone does posting on this forum entail?
Your point?
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All Elders Aren't Bad
by sammielee24 ini've read posts from time to time where it is obvious that people have been treated badly by either a jc or by individual elder themselves while in the society.
i can honestly say that in all my years as an elder, i have never seen this side.
most elders that i have known are committed, honest and fair minded men, who believe in what they are doing and have complete and utter faith in the organization.
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Jeffro
sammielee24:
I'm not defending all Elders obviously, I guess I just wanted it known that for the most part Elders work very hard and they try to fulfill the expectations required of the position.
Therein lies the problem. Fulfilling certain aspects of the position requires the lack of either a conscience, a backbone, or both.
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All Elders Aren't Bad
by sammielee24 ini've read posts from time to time where it is obvious that people have been treated badly by either a jc or by individual elder themselves while in the society.
i can honestly say that in all my years as an elder, i have never seen this side.
most elders that i have known are committed, honest and fair minded men, who believe in what they are doing and have complete and utter faith in the organization.
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Jeffro
Swalker:
Most elders fully appreciate the position they hold and accept the duties that go along with such. When they make these decisions that effect another person's entire life they have to accept the responsibility for their actions.
What responsibility? They hide being the organization's legal wing if threatened with any kind of action, and are protected by the organization's dogma to salve their consciences if there is any emotional conflict. They get off scot-free.
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We're all hypocrites!
by free2beme ini firmly believe that if you talk to someone long enough and know someone long enough, you will learn they are a hypocrite.
i don't think anyone can remain on one theme in their life forever and stick with it, as life is just to much about change to allow this and the human experience is about learning and changing.
when i see people quote others and yell the inevitable "hypocrite" comment in their direction.
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Jeffro
And that's why I'm the tall penguin. I know I'm a contradiction in terms. And I'm okay with that.
Emperor penguins grow to over a metre, which is pretty tall as far as birds go.
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The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets
by VM44 incould the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?
the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.
for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.
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Jeffro
Scholar, if you haven't read jgnat's reply, I suggest you do that first...
I find it it rather amusing too that scholarship is slowly recognizing that when the Scriptures state in no unclear terms that the land would be desolate that scholars say the opposite, that the land was only partially populated. But at least it is an improvement when prior scholarship ignored the matter entirely. However, it is similar to apostates who once believed the truth including 607 rather fervently and then after some time they reject such beliefs and return to the darkness. Apostates ar like scholars and higher critics, the blind leading the blind.
You dogmatically assert that words that are subject to interpretation (such as "desolate") concretely mean 'completely uninhabited', however you ignore the quite definite meaning of stated orders of events (Jeremiah 25:12). It is just rediculous! Your likening the scholars to supposed 'apostates' is also flawed. Many who were Witnesses had only read what the Society spoonfed them, so of course they wouldn't know any different until they looked into the independent facts on their own.
It may be unclear to you concerning the outbreak of the Great War being synchronistic with events in Heaven but their other Scriptural examples of such synchronisms
The point is that the claimed events simply are not synchronistic. The events that were supposed to occur "with great suddenness" in October of 1914 simply did not occur, and the war that started several months prior is not synchronized with anything. Moreover, there is no evidence whatsoever of events that supposedly occurred in heaven.
Also, events on the earth after 1914 provide visible proof of the heavenly things such as the Last Days, Birth of the Organization and the Global preaching campaign.
These supposed proofs you mention are all self-proclaimed ideas of the organization about itself, and are therefore meaningless.
- The things that would supposedly happen in the "last days" have been happening for millenia, though there are greater population densities, so numbers are naturally higher, but percentage-wise, conditions are better for most people, not worse.
- An organization claiming it is directed by Jesus is no less crazy than a person saying they are Jesus themself. The "Organization" was around prior to 1914, so it was hardly 'born' at that time anyway.
- Many (possibly most) Witnesses are involved in the 'preaching work' out of a sense of slavish obligation to the Society. Mormons also have a "Global preaching campaign". Other religions have their own ministries by their own definitions. And all of them claim that theirs is the true faith. The 'Witnessing' work is summed up in Matthew 23:15 (though the end result is more like simply time-wasting).
Regarding Luke 21:24 you should parse the verbal form as shown in the KIT 'will be' ' being trampled' which shows both future, present and an action beginning in past time. If something is 'being trampled the that actions must have had a prior commencement so a past verbal aspect.
Applying your rule to the exact verbal form in question renders the verse as follows: "and they will (and are) falling by the sword and they will (and are) being led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be (and is being) trampled on by the nations until what will be (and are) the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled." (It should be noted that the last will does not appear in the NWT but is in the original text.) Your supposed rule would invalidate the application of the verse to the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD and the warning would have no context or significance.
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CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS ONE?
by stillAwitness inkingdom ministry for october under: how can we help?
..."when donations are earmarked specifically for a certain disasters, it is necessary in some countries to use such funds only for the purpose specified by the donor and within a certain period of time, whether the needs of out brothers have been cared for locally or not.
(is this true and if so, isn't that the whole point of donating to natural disaster victims?
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Jeffro
If they rebuild a house for a witness, then they have them sign a document stating that they will turn over the insurance check to them. All of it! They (WTBS) may spend $50,000.00 to build a house worth $100,000.00 and they would take the check for the insurance payment of $100,000.00. So instead of the family getting a break, they get the break. This money could be used for the family to buy new furniture, clothes, etc., but instead the WTBS gets it. Such a loving organization. (The labor is free, materials sometimes are donated, so it makes a person wonder if they pocket most of it.)
I've seen this a couple of times. Does anyone have a source that isn't hearsay?