Posts by Jeffro

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Wow did not see that coming.

by msconcerned in

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so for a while now i have had some doubts and i have slowly started and had conversations with my wife.

she has kind of conceded very minor points in our conversations, but what i have been seeing is that she is starting to use her brain.

im not insulting my wife, but she is starting to think critically.

Jeffro

JW literature likes to tell JWs how much JWs have long among themselves. (A generalised claim that can be made by any kind of community.)

But it's certainly not what they're known for.

If you ask 'the person in the street' about JWs, you would generally get these responses:

Those people who knock on my door
They don't celebrate holidays
They don't accept blood transfusions
They don't vote

You'd have to get pretty far down the list of common responses, including various misconceptions and other unflattering opinions, long before 'they have love among themselves'.

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Jehovah's Witness Mother Ends Relationship With Atheist Son

by Bangalore in

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jehovah's witness mother ends relationship with atheist son.source http://lefthemispheres.blogspot.ca/2012/06/letter-jehovahs-witness-mother-ends.htmlhttp://davetrash.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/the-letter/.

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bangalore.

Jeffro

Basically the letter says:

I love you.
[blah blah blah] (tired religious rhetoric)
I'm not going to talk to you anymore.
Jehovah!

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The lonely skull of a wandering European, found at Taree, NSW

by fulltimestudent in

this is believed to be the skull of a white (european) person, who should not have been where the skull was found.

that's because, australians generally want to believe that the first europeans to live in australia came after captain cook.

that view, is likely to be a bit of jingoistic rubbish, but it serves the cause of white nationalism.

Jeffro

Maybe Taree wasn't as boring then as it is now.

That's because, Australians generally want to believe

Do they? Did you conduct a survey? They might generally believe it, but I'm not sure it's because they passionately "want to". (And I am Australian by the way.)

that the first Europeans to live in Australia came after Captain Cook. That view, is likely to be a bit of jingoistic rubbish, but it serves the cause of white Nationalism.

And the fact that some other white guy was there earlier makes a difference to that notion?

It's entirely likely, if not probable, that there were indeed other caucasians on the Australian mainland prior to Cook. I'm not sure it mandates a 'rewrite' of the history though. Maybe a few footnotes.

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A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

by Londo111 in

this is the main series playlist:.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

this is the accompanying video appendix:.

Jeffro

scholiar (to AnnOMaly):

I do not need to make a comparison bewteen your so-called research and others because I have no confidence in what you say or your interpretation of this most contentious matter, It is best left to the experts.

That's a disingenuous fabrication. Because, in fact, scholiar also does not respect the interpretations of the (other) experts either.

I do not mind being called a fool because I am in good company. If this is the case then why do you respond to my posts?

To demonstrate to other readers how dishonest and inept you are, of course.

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A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

by Londo111 in

this is the main series playlist:.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

this is the accompanying video appendix:.

Jeffro

Earlier I said:

Darius (the Mede) was a General who captured Babylon for Cyrus. He was governor in Babylon until Cyrus arrived.

Just to clarify, Darius 'the Mede' = Gobryas (Ugbaru). That Darius 'the Mede' may have continued as governor after Cyrus' arrival has no bearing, as they did not occupy the same position.

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July 15, 2013 WT for Dummies

by Calebs Airplane in

"faithful & discreet slave" nu-lite crash course.... before october 2012.... the faithful & discreet slave were all of the 12,000 annointed christians that are still alive on earth.

they dispense spiritual food at the proper time and are represented by a small group of powerless and humble men in brooklyn known as the governing body.

this may be compared to professional athletes of a particular sport who hire publicists and/or agents to represent them.. after october 2012.... the faithful & discreet slave are only 8 elite men in brooklyn, ny who collectively call themselves "the governing body".

Jeffro

so they went from being mere "representatives" of 12,000 people to being the masters of 7 million people in a matter of seconds by simply saying so at an annual meeing last year

In practical terms, the change made no real difference, because none of the other 12,000 actually had any authority anyway. However, the change is mostly likely to 'encourage' a decline in 'memorial partakers' (which has been rising in the last few years, even though it's 'supposed' to be reducing) due to a perceived changed in the status of being 'anointed'.

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A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

by Londo111 in

this is the main series playlist:.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

this is the accompanying video appendix:.

Jeffro

Earlier I said:

The Babylonians didn't use a Tishri calendar, nor did the Bible writers during or after the exile.

I realise this will probably be leapt upon as an alleged 'error'. However, it is accurate in the context of how reigns were counted by Bible writers during and after the Babylonian exile. Other uses of Tishri for starting the civil year are out of scope.

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An official Jw.org YouTube channel.

by His Excellency in

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an official jw.org youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/user/jehovahswitnessesen/videos,

Jeffro

diamondiiz:

I knew of the fb page months ago

I think you missed my point.

Just did Google search and here's the google cache link to it. See what you think

I think whoever made that page did a bad job of cropping the logo.

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A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

by Londo111 in

this is the main series playlist:.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

this is the accompanying video appendix:.

Jeffro

Doug Mason:

In which year did the Returnees first meet at the temple site?

Iyyar (May) 537, as already indicated.

1. If the writer was using a Nisan calendar and accession-year reckoning, Cyrus’ first year began on 24 March 538 BCE.

Correct. Well, close enough. 23 March 538.

2. If the writer was using a Tishri calendar and accession-year reckoning, Cyrus’ first year began on 17 September 538 BCE.

Red herring. The Babylonians didn't use a Tishri calendar, nor did the Bible writers during or after the exile. The Jews also adopted the Babylonian names of the months.

3. Did a first year of Darius precede the rule by Cyrus?

Darius was 'king' (governor) for only a few weeks. Cyrus entered Babylon and took the throne not long after Darius. Darius doesn't have an accession period because he was a governor for Cyrus, not technically a king. (Just as Belshazzar was not actually king despite Daniel's description.)

4. What was the date when Cyrus made his decree?

Red herring. I have already indicated a period of time during which the decree was made.

5. How long did it take for thousands of people to prepare their families and belongings?

The 'thousands of people' could prepare at the same time. It is is not as though each family had to prepare one after the other. Beyond a very small number of people, a very large number of people would not take significantly longer to prepare than a large number of people.

Leaving Babylon was not mandatory. Not all of the Jews left Babylon.

6. What was the date when they started their trek?

Red herring. Most likely about four months before they arrived.

7. Exactly how long did it take before each family arrived in its town or village?

Red herring.

8. Exactly how long did it take for all the families to be settled in their towns and villages?

Red herring.

9. How long did it take for the last one to walk from their home to Jerusalem?

Red herring. Irrelevant question based on a false premise of magical thinking.

10. Where does the Bible say that this event concluded the “Seventy Years”?

Nowhere. The seventy years ended in 539.

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A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

by Londo111 in

this is the main series playlist:.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

this is the accompanying video appendix:.

Jeffro

Doug Mason:

I am glad you indicated the looseness with the word "possible".

You have misconstrued my use of the word possible. I did not mean that there are other possible periods outside of the period indicated. I mean that Cyrus could have made his decree at any time during the period indicated.

By deductive reasoning, a later period for the decree than that indicated is not possible.

Did the writer assign Nisan reckoning or Tishri, accession or non-accession?

Nisan; accession.

There is no indication that any of the Bible writers counted accession years in any writings during or after the Babylonian exile.

At which part of his first year did Cyrus make his decee?

Already indicated in diagram. Likely towards the beginning of the period indicated, in association with his accession.

How long did it take the people to prepare?

A few months (or even weeks) is sufficient time to prepare. Not all of the Jews left Babylon.

How long were the people settled in their towns and villages before they ventured to Jerusalem?

From the seventh month of one year until the second month of the following year. The same minimum length of time as any other scenario.

Where is Daniel's "Darius" and his first year in all of this?

Darius (the Mede) was a General who captured Babylon for Cyrus. He was governor in Babylon until Cyrus arrived. His location is unimportant.

Were Cyrus and Darius co-regents?

No.