1. the continuity and visibility of the church.
the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.
there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.
peacefulpete:
There is good reason to include the events of 135-136CE in the context of Mark 13 and related texts.
This reinterpretation might seem convenient but is not consistent with the order of events relative to the ‘great tribulation’. Mark wasn’t written that late and there’s no reason to assume a superstitious ‘fulfilment’.
"when will this hope be fulfilled?
the bible foretold events that would signal that god’s kingdom is about to begin its rule over the earth.
present world conditions match what the bible foretold.
but let’s not pretend they are a new player in this game
🤦♂️ That obviously isn’t what I meant. Was in a hurry. JWs are a ‘new player’, but it’s the game that isn’t new.
"when will this hope be fulfilled?
the bible foretold events that would signal that god’s kingdom is about to begin its rule over the earth.
present world conditions match what the bible foretold.
Christians have been claiming that Jesus would return ‘soon’ for nearly 2000 years. JWs’ brand of nonsense is particularly laughable, but let’s not pretend they are a new player in this game.
1. the continuity and visibility of the church.
the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.
there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.
tldr.
The fact that JW claims about the origin of the Catholic Church are incorrect does not mean that Catholic claims about the origin of the church are true.
Matthew 24:9-28 speaks of 'false prophets' arising prior to and during the 'great tribulation' but prior to Jesus' 'presence'. The 'great tribulation' was the period during 66-70 CE, and cannot be associated with any 'apostasy' of 'true Christianity' after the first century, and Jesus' 'presence' was expected to occur within a generation of Jesus. It didn't happen, and different Christian groups have been making up excuses ever since.
i found out recently that michelangelo's painting of adam on the sistine chapel depicts him without a belly button.
i had never noticed this before and it makes sense that neither adam nor eve would have belly buttons, not having been born in the usual way.
then i realized all the first animals were created rather than born, according to the religious views of the origin of life.
What she actually said
Yeah… there’s nothing convoluted about what she actually said. Mildly slogan heavy as with all politicians deliberating on a theme but not anything like the prattle that ThomasMore ‘offered’.
Would you like egg with that nothing burger?
the last two seem very young.. will there be any further new gb members or will they all die off?.
i still remember when tony morris and a few other joined many were disappointed thinking the current crop would be the last.
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Balaamsass2:
From then on most congregations I belonged to, believed anyone who suddenly started "partaking" was a liar, apostate, or mentally ill.
Well, they weren’t wrong. Though it also applies to the ones who partook before that.
i found out recently that michelangelo's painting of adam on the sistine chapel depicts him without a belly button.
i had never noticed this before and it makes sense that neither adam nor eve would have belly buttons, not having been born in the usual way.
then i realized all the first animals were created rather than born, according to the religious views of the origin of life.
ThomasMore:
Her great depth gives me hope for enlightenment when I reflect on the passage of time which must be considered as time passes and moves from where we were to where we are going, and the significance of change from where we were to where we might be as time passes in a day or days which represent the duality of change and the passage of time from where we were and where we could be as time passes and it's significance.
Would chicken or egg go best with that word salad?
i found out recently that michelangelo's painting of adam on the sistine chapel depicts him without a belly button.
i had never noticed this before and it makes sense that neither adam nor eve would have belly buttons, not having been born in the usual way.
then i realized all the first animals were created rather than born, according to the religious views of the origin of life.
peacefulpete:
I did say semantic paradox.
Yes. I wasn’t objectingg to the way you framed your comments, I was talking about the broader issue that some of these types of ‘philosophical’ quandaries aren’t really as deep as they sound.
i found out recently that michelangelo's painting of adam on the sistine chapel depicts him without a belly button.
i had never noticed this before and it makes sense that neither adam nor eve would have belly buttons, not having been born in the usual way.
then i realized all the first animals were created rather than born, according to the religious views of the origin of life.
jwundubbed:
I get why scientists and atheists would still question which came first, but I would also expect them to acknowledge the religious point of view, if only to reject it. I've never heard anyone use a religious point of view to answer this philosophical question.
I think we all already know that the Bible's creation myth suggests chickens were made before eggs, but it scarcely warrants further attention. That particular 'religious point of view' is incorrect (and not representative of all religious views anyway so it isn't 'the religious view'), and the 'philosophical' supposed paradox is tedious. Both positions are a demonstration of ignorance about how eggs evolved and how chickens were domesticated.
i found out recently that michelangelo's painting of adam on the sistine chapel depicts him without a belly button.
i had never noticed this before and it makes sense that neither adam nor eve would have belly buttons, not having been born in the usual way.
then i realized all the first animals were created rather than born, according to the religious views of the origin of life.
peacefulpete:
What came first the chicken or the chicken egg?
The chicken egg.
