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  Miniature and large LRAD weapons used by U.S. army, businesses and cults

  by wanda in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i mentioned this in another forum then realized it would also fit here, so i edited it a little and here it is again.

  a ministerial servants' head told me confidentially he and some friends had harrassed an oklahoma city sister who partook of the emblems by using miniaturized sound and voice making devices.

  in some congregations the elder body and their closest pioneer sisters also don't like jws and ex-jws they think are big-mouths because they are afraid they will tell about things like child molesting.

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  These aren't all that new. You can buy these things online, plus other stuff... go to:

  http://www.amazing1.com/

  They market them as "pain field generators". I have bought several products from this site and they work extremely well - these are not cheap gag toys. In fact a friend of mine and I (~15+ years ago) decided to buy a very small mini transmitter that could be tuned to ANY (FM) station frequency. Well, the District Convention broadcasts the speakers over radio waves to those hard of hearing. When the speaker announced the frequency for the sessions my friend tuned it in and basically overroad there equipment. It was extremely funny to see the sound department (on side of stage) freaking out and using there meters to determine the source of the transmission. It was also halarious to see those with the headphones looking around like WTF? The mic for the transmitter was super sensitive and you only needed to whisper to be heard. He would read under his lips the bible or start talking about crap, truely funny... went on for ALL three days, all day. Announcements were made to please not use any electronic equipment that might interfere with the "program". He didn't listen. They were also great for communicating with one another as we checked out the eye candy...
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  Elders' School this weekend

  by atypical in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i don't know if this is true all over the country, but here they are having the elders' school this coming weekend.

  i was wondering if there is anybody here who will be going.

  if so, i hope we will be getting the scoop afterwards...........

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  sinis

  What you need to do (instead of a tape recorder) is to go to a gag shop or online "spy" shop and order a wireless "bug". Place that in his bag and then sit outside with some headphones listening to the whole thing.
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  Judicial Committee experiences....

  by sinis in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been in a few jc/"conferences" but nothing really happened to me (not da'd or df'd).

  the worst one was when an elder kept slapping the back of his hand to me and my wife in a derogatory manner (looking back i should have kicked the crap out of him) telling us to drop the fact that my wifes brothers wife (who no one liked) was sleeping around with everyone (he was probably "taking his turn" as well, and thus the lack of motivation to do anything).

  i was thinking the other day how i should have handled myself differently, grew some b@lls (most of the jc/committees was when i was younger and intimidated) and told the elders what i really thought.

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  I have been in a few JC/"conferences" but nothing really happened to me (not DA'd or DF'd). The worst one was when an elder kept slapping the back of his hand to me and my wife in a derogatory manner (looking back I should have kicked the crap out of him) telling us to drop the fact that my wifes brothers wife (who no one liked) was sleeping around with everyone (he was probably "taking his turn" as well, and thus the lack of motivation to do anything). I was thinking the other day how I should have handled myself differently, grew some b@lls (most of the JC/committees was when I was younger and intimidated) and told the elders what I really thought. Anyway, I was thinking, wouldn't it be great during a JC (once the ball gets rolling) to pull out a rock and say the words of our Lord:

  John 8:7

  But when they continued asking him, he looked up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her." (WEB)

  Matthew 7:1-3

  "Judge not, that ye be not judged.

  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"
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  John 20:19-21

  by I-CH-TH-U-S in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  john 20:19-21.

  19jesus answered them, "destroy this temple, and i will raise it again in three days.

  20the jews replied, "it has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?

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  Yes, but wuld this not be along the same lines as what Moses said when giving water to the Isrealites? He said "is it not I", and was thus banished for giving credit to himself instead of god. Likewise, if Jesus had a slip of the tongue would not his father been jealous and perhaps exacted the same thing upon him as he did moses, his close friend? Perhaps, there was truth in what Jesus said. Although, I don't advocate a trinity I do believe the relationship between the father, and son are a little more complex than the bible alludes to.
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  Local KH gets shafted

  by sinis in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a while back three local halls (same building) donated their saved up money to a new hall being built in a nearby town.

  appearently the new hall could not get a loan for the work.

  well the other halls got together about 50k and gave it to the the new hall with the promise that they would be payed back as the donating hall needed to use the money within the next few months for repairs.

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  A while back three local halls (same building) donated their saved up money to a new hall being built in a nearby town. Appearently the new hall could not get a loan for the work. Well the other halls got together about 50K and gave it to the the new hall with the promise that they would be payed back as the donating hall needed to use the money within the next few months for repairs. It looks like the new hall shafted the brothers and told them to pound sand and that they would not be paying them back. So. the elders from the three congs got together and proposed a solution (resolution) that was announced last week. They asked the cong to vote on a 40K loan. The cong agreed. Then, 10 minutes later they proposed ANOTHER resolution for ANOTHER 40K. Many of the brothers had that look. They did get two to second the motion so it was passed. They brothers then told the cong that they would HAVE to have $800.00, minimum, per month to cover this loan - does not include maintenance, utilities, etc. Many seemed pissed after the meeting. Then it was found out that the Society was loaning the money to the brothers at 3% interest!!!!! What a deal!! - Your FREE WWW money gets loaned back to you at interest, how loving. Anyone else feel something is wrong here? Why would the brothers do two seperate loans for the same amount, why not one big loan? I'm thinking its so they didn't scare the crap out of the attendees.
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  Did Noahs Ark drift about aimlessly in the Great Flood?

  by EliJah in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  no where does it mention that noah traveled around the world in his big boat.

  in fact, is says that the ark was floating "high above the earth".

  also, what does matthew mean about "just like in the days of noah?

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  The term "earth" in biblical times meant land. So, the flood was more than likely a local event, not global. To cover the earth in water as the Society says would mean that there is five times more water than the earth currently has. Where did it go? Plus Olive trees only live 1500 feet above sea level. The rate of run off as the bible describes (if the event was global) would be impossible. Not only that but the chance of an olive tree living at that depth would impossible as well.
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  Please don't use Hartz pet products on your animals...

  by sinis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, last night was from hell.

  about four months ago my wife and i brought in to our house a stray kitten.

  looked healthy, vibrant etc.

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  sinis

  Well, last night was from hell. About four months ago my wife and I brought in to our house a stray kitten. Looked healthy, vibrant etc.
  
  About 10 days ago I put flea collars on all of my cats (some some scratching once and a while and assumed they had fleas - probably didn't). When I put the collar on this cat about 10 days ago it got a little excited as it probably never had anything around its neck before and started to bit and lick the collar. This went on for about two days.
  
  Gradually over the course of the 10 days the cat started getting lethargic, drinking lots of water and just not its usual self. I assumed it had a cold of some kind as it seemed to be getting better. Last night I came home from school and my wife was very upset as the cat was throwing up any food, including some broth she made it. It was constantly at the water bowl. A few times I went over to it and she gave me this really sad meow.
  
  I was hoping it would make it through the night as I was going to take it to the vet but it seems to have taken the ferry ride around 4:00 am. Very sad. Woke up around 4:00 am (waking up every couple of hours to check on it) and noticed all of my cats starring under the bed - bad feeling. So I took it outside and buried it.
  
  Here are some of the symptoms:
  
  whitish gums
  some weight loss
  lethargy
  drinking lots of water
  throwing up
  
  
  I called the vet and asked them what they thought. They said it could have been an allergic reaction to the collar or worse yet a disease such as FeLV. Now if it were FeLV or similiar would it have brought a healthy cat down in less than 10 days? I wonder if I inadvertently poisoned it with the flea collar?
  
  After doing some research it looks like Hartz has had problems with killing animals. I feel depressed and very guilty for my mistake.

  So I sat there last night in bed thinking about what I learned as a JW and from my own studying, and I feel cheated. I laid there thinking about my recent grandmothers death, the poor animals death and all the death that goes through the whole world on a daily bases and kept wondering why? Why do we suffer? I was always taught it was because of the Universal Soverignty issue. But as I thought about the reasoning behind that I came to the conclusion that cannot be correct. Jehovah is all knowing, and all loving. He creates angels, who more than likely assisted him in creating the world and humans. More than likely these angels knew how to create "flesh and blood" and thus these were the few who materialized and co-habited with women.

  The society would like for us to believe that jehovah could not simply destroy Adam and the angels who sinned because of "universal Soverignty", or does man have the legal right to rule. I'm sorry but if Jehovah is all knowing, then these angels who sinned were also high up on the pyramid and knew right from wrong. They knew ahead of time that they would not succeed. So Jehovah could have destroyed Adam and Eve, and created a new pair but realistically he would be back at square one with his creation.

  I thought about a mighty ruler, who governs a nation and allows a coupe to take place to see if they can rule better than him. This is not logical nor plausible.

  I kept asking myself why does God allow suffering when it is within his means to eliminate it. Why do I have to pay for what my ancestors did? None of this makes any sense and although I still believe in God I have doubts about his caring and oversight.

  I really do not know where to go from here.

  Sorry for the rant, just feeling a little sad...
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  Did The Circuit Overseer Ever Do Anything For You On His Visit?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they make a huge deal over how the co is coming and we have to show appreciation for his visit.

  did the co ever do anything special for you during his visit?

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  Years ago Jamie Rundquist felt it necessary to belittle regualr pioneers for not getting there time in. As far as my contact with him he was very demeaning, and did not "listen" when an individual spoke. I hear today he married a VERY young sister (over a twenty year difference) and popped a few kids out. One in particular has been in the news because of multiple surgeries (trying to get donations, etc.). Though it is bad to say, I really do feel what goes around comes around.
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  Possible way to caclulate Great Tribulation?

  by sinis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was reading through some of the "other" bible texts (apocraphyls (sp?

  )) and came across an interesting verse regarding the fallen angels:enoch 10:11 .

  and the lord said unto michael: 'go, bind semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves 12 with them in all their uncleanness.

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  Here's an interesting thing. Go to Luke 3:23 and count the number of generations, starting with "Jesus". Guess who the 70th generation is? Enoch. So 70 generations from Enoch lead to Jesus. Luke may thus reflect the messianic expectation of the period that eschatological judgment will occur in the generation of Jesus (expressed explicitly in Luke 11:30-33, 21:23, and elsewhere in Matthew 16:28).

  Interesting. However, Enoch mentions that the binding would take place AFTER their offspring had been destroyed or during the flood. So that would not put the 70th generation at the time of Jesus but at a date in the future since Noah was the 10th generation (it would be around the 80th generation).

  LUKE	LUKE'S SOURCES
  77	Jesus of Nazareth
  76	Joseph
  75	Eli
  74	Matthat
  73	Levi
  72	Melki
  71	Jannai
  70	Joseph
  69	Mattathias
  68	Amos
  67	Nahum
  66	Esli
  65	Naggai
  64	Maath
  63	Mattathias
  62	Semein
  61	Josech
  60	Joda
  59	Joanan
  58	Rhesa
  57	Zerubbabel	Zerubbabel	53
  56	Shealtiel	Shealtiel	52
  55	Neri	Mattaniah/Zedekiah	50
  54	Melki	Jehoiachin	51
  53	Addi	Eliakim/Jehoiakim	50
  52	Kosam	Jehoahaz	50
  51	Elmadam	Josiah	49
  50	Er	Amon	48
  49	Jesus	Manasseh	47
  48	Eliezer	Hezekiah	46
  47	Jorim	Ahaz	45
  46	Matthat	Jotham	44
  45	Levi	Azariah/Uzziah	43
  44	Simeon	Amaziah	42
  43	Judah	Joash	41
  42	Joseph	Ahaziah	40
  41	Jonan	Jehoram	39
  40	Eliakim	Jehosaphat	38
  39	Melea	Asa	37
  38	Menna	Abijah	36
  37	Mattatha	Rehoboam	35
  36	Nathan	Salomon	34
  35	David	David	33
  34	Jesse	Jesse	32
  33	Obed	Obed	31
  32	Boaz	Boaz	30
  31	Salmon	Salmon	29
  30	Nahshon	Nahshon	28
  29	Amminadab	Amminadab	27
  28	Admin
  27	Aram	Aram	26
  26	Hezron	Hezron	25
  25	Perez	Perez	24
  24	Judah	Judah	23
  23	Jacob	Jacob	22
  22	Isaac	Isaac	21
  21	Abraham	Abraham	20
  20	Terah	Terah	19
  19	Nahor	Nahor	17
  18	Serug	Serug	17
  17	Reu	Reu	16
  16	Peleg	Peleg	15
  15	Eber	Eber	14
  14	Shelah	Shelah	13
  13	Kainan
  12	Arphaxad	Arphaxad	12
  11	Shem	Shem	11
  10	Noah	Noah	10
  9	Lamech	Lamech	9
  8	Methuselah	Methuselah	8
  7	Enoch	Enoch	7
  6	Jared	Jared	6
  5	Mahalalel	Mahalalel	5
  4	Kenan	Kenan	4
  3	Enosh	Enosh	3
  2	Seth	Seth	2
  1	Adam	Adam	1
  	God	God

  As far as the date for the flood I obtained that from the Societys publications, although this link says it was around 2309 BCE (in the ballpark) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark
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  Possible way to caclulate Great Tribulation?

  by sinis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was reading through some of the "other" bible texts (apocraphyls (sp?

  )) and came across an interesting verse regarding the fallen angels:enoch 10:11 .

  and the lord said unto michael: 'go, bind semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves 12 with them in all their uncleanness.

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  I was reading through some of the "other" bible texts (apocraphyls (sp?)) and came across an interesting verse regarding the fallen angels:

  ENOCH 10:11 . . . And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves 12 with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is 13 for ever and ever is consummated. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: and 14 to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever. . . .'

  The flood was appearently in the year 2348 BCE. It looks as if, according to the scripture, that when they saw there sons killed by the flood they were to be bound for Seventy Generations. Other scriptures in the bible refer to this abyss, appearently other demons fear going to it.

  LUKE 8:26 Then they sailed to the country of the Gadarenes, which is opposite Galilee. 27 And when He stepped out on the land, there met Him a certain man from the city who had demons for a long time. And he wore no clothes, nor did he live in a house but in the tombs. 28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, fell down before Him, and with a loud voice said, "What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me!" 29 For He had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For it had often seized him, and he was kept under guard, bound with chains and shackles; and he broke the bonds and was driven by the demon into the wilderness. 30 Jesus asked him, saying, "What is your name?" And he said, "Legion," because many demons had entered him. 31 And they begged Him that He would not command them to go out into the Abyss. 32 Now a herd of many swine was feeding there on the mountain. So they begged Him that He would permit them to enter them. And He permitted them. 33 Then the demons went out of the man and entered the swine, and the herd ran violently down the steep place into the lake and drowned.

  Revelation, speaks of this further by saying:

  REVELATION 9:1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6 During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them. 7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months.

  So it seems the Abyss is opened before Armageddon (Grear Tribulation) with there (demons) activities leading to the final day. If a person knew how long a "generation" was as used in Enoch would it be possible to calculate the "day" when the Abyss is opened in Revelation? I played around with numbers and figure from the flood until now is approximately 4353 years. The bible speaks of a generation as being 70 to 80 years which would put that figure (70 generations * years) anywhere from 4900 - 5600 years from 2348 BCE. However, I am inclined to believe that the generation spoken of in Enoch is different from the one spoken of in Psalms 90:10. If you were to take the time period from the flood until now and divide by 70(generations) you come out to a time span of about 62 years per generation. As I said, I was just playing with numbers but I find the whole idea presented in Enoch and Revelation very interesting.