I love it here...it works for me, too.
I miss Mouthy.
Does anyone know what Gumby is up to these days?
i really enjoy the posters here.
it's a bit calmer but it still works for me!
I love it here...it works for me, too.
I miss Mouthy.
Does anyone know what Gumby is up to these days?
about two years ago, i read a post on jwd asking if there was anyone from the xyz congregation.
recognizing this as the congregation in which i was raised, i made contact with the poster.
it turned out to be my next door neighbor when i was a child, she was my babysitter, and best friend..
for me...it was finding Orbison. We went to the same cong. from around 1986-1992. Cheers, Wendy!
And if your out there Wendy...we will be atteinding a wedding on the 30th in Abbotsford. I'm bringing 4 of the kids and myself down to the coast on the 28th to the 1st for the wedding and the PNE. as well.
ok, so in the gilbert simental molestation case, the elders hid behind clergy client privilege.
but why didn't they want to speak out against a molester?
why did they not happily say,"yes, ole brother gilbert told us what he did"?
From the perspective of the victim. You think that Jehovah's organization is perfect and loves you. You tell the elders that a grown man (an elder) has been molesting you throughout your early teens. It takes a while to realize that this is inappropriate behaviour, because elders are chosen by holy spirit as shepherds of the congregation, so why would they do anything to harm you. You've been taught to trust everyone that is JW, and distrust everyone not JW. Most of all to trust an elder.
You embarrassingly go and tell your story. They listen, with blank looks on their faces...like they don't want to hear what you are saying. They offer NO support, NO acknowledgement, nothing. That's it. You've bared your soul...and nothing. You see the brother/elder giving talks, walking around the assemblies with their "attendant" labels on. You feel exposed. You feel disbelieved.
Was this man repentant? Was he dealt with privately? Was anything done? Did he deny the whole thing? WHAT HAPPPENED??
You're never informed, because that's confidential information. Being the victim gives you no "in" to this confidential information. Then, they tell you to not speak about it to anyone else in the congregation. If you do, you will face df'ing, because it's going against theocratic order. In the end, the victim wonders if she/he is crazy. Did it even happen? Because if it did, surely Jehovah would see to it being made right. But, NO...
....because at all costs, the reputation of the organization comes before the sanity of the victim.
Rose
hey all, .
my memoir about growing up as a jehovah's witness is being released by touchstone in march '09 and wanted to share the news with the ex-jw community.
it's called "i'm perfect, you're doomed - tales from a jehovah's witness upbringing.
Kyria--looks great, loved the read. One comment though. The girl on the cover is dressed like a parochial school student, not a Dub. Can they put her in a meetin' dress and give her a little bookbag to carry?
I thought the same thing...the skirt is too short...it needs to be past the knee, you know. I loved the read...and can't wait for the book.
i noted with anger the post about the dc where one of the speakers claimed that people who become apostate are involved in immoral conduct of some kind.. this goes down in the same list of stupidity as the statement that "apostates claim to have greater wisdom than the faithful and discreet slave" - as v pointed out they do not claim greater wisdumb, they simply disagree.. i began doubting and questioning not only after finding out about how the witchtower had lied about carbon dating, but their lies about the creative days, finding out how chinas written history goes back to before the flood, yet never mentions how the chinese were all drowned - and how the wt lies and misrepresents "evidence" for their assertions.. excuse me witchtower - but my genitals had nothing to do with seeing through the lies and deceit, and yes hypocrisy.. of course once started on that road i read more and became less convinced than ever of their claims to be gods only channel.. maybe soon i shall get the chance to become a moral degenerate, than it will prove everthing the borg claims about people like us to be true.. in the meantime stop slinging mud and insulting my integrity.. hb.
layinglow...you hit the nail on the head! So true.
we have wonderful resources in sites like jw facts and freeminds.
a site dedicated to the compilation of society's misquotes/deceptions would just be perfect!
welcome to august's book club thread.. first my apologies for getting this thread posted late.
it's been a crazy month/summer for me.. this month we are discussing 1984 by george orwell.
this book was suggested by sad emo.
I remember reading 1984 in 1983...Grade 12 - you had to read it to graduate. I went to bethel in 1985....and, honesty, I couldn't help comparing it to that book. It was so weird...bethel was just like the book described...even with the instructions on the TV screen.
i've been reading a few pages of threads from saturday until today and i can't understand why some,(actually very few) try to damage this site.
this is one of a handful of (ex)jw sites that really helps people get out of the organization.
the interaction that we have here shows anyone how we can leave the so- called "truth" and enjoy life!
I thank you, too. I appreciate it. It's been my lifeline while "drowning" in the WTS.
I hate the fact that others are being inappropriate. I try to ignore those posts.
However, in this site is an amazing bunch of people, and an amazing amount of information, and I'm so glad that it exists!
I even like the fact that it is so monitored. I don't think it's censorship. If you want to say anything...go to another board. This is the personality of the board, and for me it fits.
a collegue of mine, a mother of 19 year old twins is distressed.
her one son has been going out with an older women (this came to light when the other twin was sick and tired of all the lying going on) the truth is that the older women turns out to be her very good friend, who is now 49 years old.
let's call her madam x.. madam x is a very '"sweet"" woman - i know her, as i used to work with her.
Although I find this age difference somewhat disturbing personally...
I know someone who is 18 years younger than his wife. He is a high school teacher. He's 60 now, and she's 78...they've been married over 30 years. They're kind of cute when you see them together.
He always says to me...it''s not about the age of life...it's about the stage of life. I suppose it can work???.
does anyone remember being a little kid and being forced to sit through those 2 hour meetings?
specifically being made to listen to graphic accounts of whatever country that was going through horrific persecution.
(or any other horrors you might remember).
The Malawi thing terrified me. My parents had me write a letter to some official there, and my mother put my rough-draft copy of it in a scrap book for me - and I still have it.?
That was a turning point for me when I was reading COC, to find out that it was for a silly political card that they were getting persecuted for, when the JWs in Mexico could bribe there way out of military service.
Then there was the fear instilled that we could be separated from our parents, watch them be tortured, etc. And those tortuous pictures we were subjected to in the Paradise Lost book and Revelation book.
When I was about 2, my parents asked me "why do you go to meetings?" I'm sure they were waiting for the "because I love Jehovah answer," but what they got was, "to get a spanking." LOL. My parents actually find this story amusing.