Posts by cellomould

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apostate comix 2

by Dogpatch in

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comix we would like to see.

these are done by a retired couple in calif. who have nothing better to do than entertain you:.

randy

cellomould

ROFL Randy! bttt

cellomould

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

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just a quick thought - i am a firm believer in freedom of speech etc, but having been on this forum for some time i honestly can't say that i can introduce a doubting jw interested in true christianity to this board.

some of the deep discussions on jw doctrine are excellent, but everything else seems to be nonsense in my opinion.

why can't this site be more like the old www.witnesses.net which seemed to have more spiritual meat rather than backbiting, gossip, and rumour and even obscenity.. sorry for my frank opinion

cellomould

Thanks also to you aC,

this was a nice conversation, and civil throughout. (well, at least the last coupla' pages)

cellomould

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

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Freewill - a paradox

by gravedancer in

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i have had a couple of discussions about freewill lately but it seems as if i am talking to a brick wall.

here is my basic reasoning, perhaps you can point out what i am missing.. lets outline the 2 common assumptions normally associated with the debate concerning adam, god and freewill:.

2. god gave adam freewill to obey him or not to.

cellomould

Gravedancer,

Point out to people who will argue with you that 'freewill' is simply a crutch.

It itself is a phrase absent from the bible, or at least not present in the same context.

It has been used excessively by christians to cover up inconsistencies and logical errors.

So everytime someone goes to use that word, stop them! That is exactly when they are attempting to gloss over a major fallacy in their reasoning.

When you need to add concepts into the reading of the bible in order to explain it, something is wrong.

cellomould

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

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Altruistic punishment ---- DISFELLOWSHIPPING?!

by cellomould in

this abstract of an article in the journal nature relates to the concept of disfellowshipping, or shunning, in my opinion.. now we know why witnesses tend to cooperate.

(damned if you don't!!!).

altruistic punishment in humans.

cellomould

Thanks for your comments, Thomas...

While a godly standard for what is acceptable sounds nice conceptually, what does 'acceptable' really mean?

Once a deed is done, it is done.

The argument that it 'shouldn't have happened' is almost as futile as the argument that 'it didn't happen'. We know of course what happened.

Societies really only care about what happens within their boundaries, meaning that the 'evildoer' can do whatever he wants as long as he does it elsewhere.

Hence, human standards (even 'godly' standards) tend to be much more retroactive (kick out the 'shameful' members) than proactive (encouraging cooperation).

I think that's where the problem lies with punishment and ostracism. What do they solve proactively? Not much.

cellomould

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

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elder commits suicide.....need advice

by Nat in

hey everybody,.

my sister-in-law's brother took his life sunday afternoon.

it has been devastating to her and her family.

cellomould

Nat,

Please accept my condolences. It is a frightening situation, I am sure.

I just heard from an old friend that his sister just took her own life. She was a wonderful woman. I do not really know how to help besides listening. Maybe that's all I can do.

Perhaps we can help each other find ways to encourage our friends.

Thanks for sharing your feelings,

cellomould

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

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BILLY THE KID

by picosito in

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islam (at least the fundy bin laden variety) seems like the billy the kid of western religion.

western religion (including judaism and islam) considers individuals as separate entities irrevocably responsible to allah or god or jehovah rather than integral parts of a whole such as eastern religions buddhism and hinduism.. how has that difference affected you as a jw or as a former jw?.

"blessed are those whose god is not the clock.

cellomould

picosito,

That's dangerous, to be concise.

I didn't see that I was part of a self-serving social machine until I had evaluated several world viewpoints and ideas.

At least when Stalin coerced, extorted, or killed you, he admitted it was for the good of the system, and not the individual. You knew you were just a god-damned spoke on the wheel.

cellomould

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

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"A sense of urgency"

by Norm in

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the above phrase is one of the most cherished in the watchtowers huge arsenal of tools for manipulation.

it is used to work the average jehovah's witness into a sort of frenzy and keep them there.

come, lord jesus.revelation 22:20. watchtower, october 1.

cellomould

Very nice synopsis of why we die, funkyderek. No one feels its unfair when moths die, for example. In fact, no one would mind if all the moths on the planet died simultaneously.

Well, I have a question, which should be harder to answer:

If Yadirf doesn't want to be unconvinced, why does he offer us the scant results of his gold-panning for logical arguments?

Perhaps he just posts to enjoy seeing his picture.

Or perhaps he is just another moth attracted to the 'light':

edited to say 'moth'

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

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Show your stuff and make a million dollars

by gravedancer in

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for all those who still claim to have "faith" in a god or who believe in a 6th sense or in the paranormal there lies a golden opportunity in your path.. press release from the james randi educational foundation:.

at jref, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.

the prize is in the form of negotiable bonds held in a special investment account.

cellomould

Hey gravedancer,

I am really tired but man did I enjoy that article! Thanks for posting it; I almost missed it.

Is this a website you've been frequenting for a while? Seems like good stuff can be found there.

By the way, I have a friend who claims to be a pixel. Perhaps the reward is to be mine...

cello millionaire

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

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Freewill - a paradox

by gravedancer in

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i have had a couple of discussions about freewill lately but it seems as if i am talking to a brick wall.

here is my basic reasoning, perhaps you can point out what i am missing.. lets outline the 2 common assumptions normally associated with the debate concerning adam, god and freewill:.

2. god gave adam freewill to obey him or not to.

cellomould

Maybe I just read incorrectly...
thought it said 'I believe in life after death'

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

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Who do you love now?????

by Sky in

i was brand new when this post was up.. now i wanna know who everyone loves, so i kow who you're talking about!.

kisses!.

sky

cellomould

Funny, I was just writing in Larc's thread about gelati in Italy... mmmhmm one ice cream cone i had there weighed about 2 lbs. he he he

You need to send me more pics, Bea. I have precious few.

It's hard to love a pixel; just ask gravedancer's many heartbroken admirers.

here's another pic of my sweetie (at least she calls me, Bea):

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke