just thought i would relate a conversation i was having with a some what of a wishey washey jw.
first of all i was sitting having breakfast this morning listening to the trial highlights provided by barbra anderson.
i could just feel my blood boiling ( this was also combined that i was also feeling rather lousy from a cold).
I think it would temper some persecuted attitudes if youd remind them that the jws are one religion of many. The catholic church started this process
Religion is not going to be destroyed for any of this. Its reforming. Across the board folk will begin to recognise their obligations to protect their flocks rather than their religions reputation.
so i have not reported a single hour of fs or family worship in over 8 months.
have not given a single comment in a meeting for over a year.
a few weeks ago, my brother in law, who is an ms now, approached me.
I like the idea of undermining jw teaching if at all possible. Use it fir good, then withdraw from school.
OTOH, you could eat a few ex lax and have a viable excuse for staying home again. Just so your wife is sympathetic. Mention the roach coach lunch in passing(gas, or whatever you are passing at that point ;) )
remember there was a talk about not listening to "false stories" about sexual abuse from apostates on jw's fantasy station?
did the governing body put it out there as preemptive damage control because they knew this was coming?
they must have had subpoenas giving them a heads up.
These are not coming from the world. the accusations are coming from jw children and their parents within the org.
WT offenders do have a protection against the world if they keep their abusing to family and congregation members. The policy here does help them because if you think there isnt a whole lot taken care of with a comment about not making jahs people look bad then youd be naive. Or a dad going directly to the one accused by his child and dropping it at that point because of denial, repentance or some other old boys club understanding that makes sense to those 2 alone.
a friend of mine that is df went to hall today someone held door for him he thanked them ,soon after and elder aproached wispered in his ear "you cant talk to anyone" the pharisees .
http://www.pressreader.com/usa/honolulu-star-advertiser/20150725/281848642300889/textview.
it sounds to me like he was a jw before he became a physician.
"kalauawa, who became a jw 31 years ago, said he had to overcome a major conflict between his religious and professional beliefs, because jws are opposed to blood transfusions.
http://www.pressreader.com/usa/honolulu-star-advertiser/20150725/281848642300889/textview.
it sounds to me like he was a jw before he became a physician.
"kalauawa, who became a jw 31 years ago, said he had to overcome a major conflict between his religious and professional beliefs, because jws are opposed to blood transfusions.
His ordering blood for them would not conflict with JW teaching about abstaining. It's not going in HIS body.
However
The mental gymnastics seem stupid. JWs hold that not only are transfusions are morally wrong to obtain, they teach that they are totally avoidable-so, if he really believed the best medical practices forbid it, he would have no such conflicts.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/jimmy-carter-says-jesus-would-not-support-abortion-revealing-only-conflict-between-his-politics-and-christian-faith-141881/.
carter said that as a young man he used to be a jehovah's witness before he was a baptist christian.. .
"it's hard to grow up with such a foundational system and just let it go.
a few years ago, prior to researching the field of "bloodless medicine", i was under the mistaken impression that bloodless surgery was a field of medicine that sat "outside" of the watchtower influence and operated as a part of mainstream medicine.
since that time, i have discovered that "bloodless medicine" has been founded and maintained by the watchtower society itself.
bloodless medicine is the watchtower society - it has been organized by people who have been trained by the wts and therefore, the bloodless industry is controlled by the wts.
I was bothered by the full time JW employee at a major hospital in tacoma who spent her Career dealing with JW blood issues. A nurse, she had access to patient records and decision making as well as obvious ties to the local JWs and hlc. No JW would have felt free to take any care accepted by the WTBTS. There was a fissure in their freedom to have privacy and make medical decisions. I rather suspect that whatever literature the provides to the medical establishment comes at a price, as well as training, speaker fees, etc. I am sure bloodless surgery development is funded outside the WT. Bet they are getting grant money funneled through the WTBTS in some way. They don't do anything unless they gain from it.
several threads on here about the excellent bbc r4 programme this week ('the report') focussing on rape and abuse in barry, south wales, jws.
fat pervert mark sewell later got 14 years and i hope he is enjoying every minute of it.. the courageous ladies who spoke on the programme were articulate, reasonable and made a tremendous impression.. the quote in the thread title made an impression on me, and i hope, on all listeners.. forget religious, theological, 'biblical' issues and cut to the basics.
a rape victim was asked to demonstrate - to demonstrate, ffs - to three unqualified (middle-aged at least, presumably) men just how far her legs were apart when she was raped.. i have rarely heard anything so outrageous, and i used to investigate rape and abuse in my profession.
if ray franz would have kept his mouth shut and not disfellowshipped, and remained part of the governing body how many of us ex-jw would still be trapped in the cult?.
would we have come this far?.
