Posts by Hellrider

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Fabrication in Gospels

by SickofLies in

jesus was a spiritual and political leader of great renown.

the sick came from miles around to seek his miraculous healing powers.

at the height of his popularity, he triumphantly entered jerusalem with his followers, appeared to declare himself the messiah, violently disrupted the business of the temple, and, after being tried by pontius pilate himself, was put to death as a revolutionary.

Hellrider

SOL:

Whole libraries of antiquity were torched by the Christians. Yet unlike the works of his Jewish contemporaries, the histories of Josephus survived. They survived because the Christian censors had a use for them. They planted evidence on Josephus, turning the leading Jewish historian of his day into a witness for Jesus Christ ! Finding no references to Jesus anywhere in Josephus's genuine work, they interpolated a brief but all-embracing reference based purely on Christian belief.

That`s very interesting. Do you have any sources for this? Other than the people behind that god-movie, I mean. What does historians/Joesphus-experts say about this? It is a bit of an extraordinary claim, isn`t it?

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Fabrication in Gospels

by SickofLies in

jesus was a spiritual and political leader of great renown.

the sick came from miles around to seek his miraculous healing powers.

at the height of his popularity, he triumphantly entered jerusalem with his followers, appeared to declare himself the messiah, violently disrupted the business of the temple, and, after being tried by pontius pilate himself, was put to death as a revolutionary.

Hellrider

The reason why Jesus (of the bible) isn`t mentioned much among contemporary historians, isn`t so difficult to figure out. He made a very small splash while he lived. He was born in a little shit-hole, he had some followers that went along with him as he walked around and preached, and he died in what to the romans was another little little shit-hole. The hung him up on that cross, and thought that that was that. They had probably done that allready to countless other blasphemers, and they never expected that this one would be different, that his legend would grow the way it did. And that`s probably why they didn`t mention him much. But it`s not true that no contemporary sources doesn`t mention him.

Josephus mentions him:

Testimonium Flavianum (Ant. 18:3.3 §63-64): "At this time [i.e., the rule of Pontius Pilate as prefect of Judea] there appeared Jesus, a wise man. For he was a doer of startling deeds, a teacher of people who receive the truth with pleasure. And he gained a following both among many Jews and among many of Gentile origin."

Jesus is also mentioned in Rabbinic litterature and among greco-roman writers:

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/mq12.html

Yes we know rex, anybody who does'nt agree with your; "neo-fascist-psycho-jesus" world view must be a liar, right?
"You're either with shining one, or you're with the terrorists"

...and anyone who doesn`t agree with atheists, agnostics (I am one, btw), and participate in every womens rights, anti-war, pro-abortion, pro-gay-marriage- parade, and believes in Jesus and the Bible and all that, is automatically neo-fascist Bush-worshipper, right?

And that is why I fucking hate politically correct people.

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Pedophilia with 3-year old slave girls in the Bible!

by mike87 in

girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the talmud and the bible.

also, the age consent in us and europe was as low as 10:.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm.

Hellrider

Narkissos:

Each culture considers its current values and practices as a norm; we have become so bright as to consider ours as a norm by which to judge the entire world history.
That's laughable but woe to whoever laughs about it.

I looked around a bit on that link, and I have to say I was shocked. "Genital Parenting", even the expression makes my stomach turn. I don`t fully agree with your statement above, though. If we were to follow the line of thought (of...cultural relativism), anything goes, anything is acceptable, as long as it is part of the culture, and doesn`t break the norms of that particular culture. Which would mean that arranged wddings (with or without force) is ok, cutting of limbs and stoning is ok (for the society as a whole, of course, not for the poor guy being dismembered/stoned), having sex with children is ok, etc, as long as it is common practice within that particular culture (or at a particular time). I strongly disagree with this (and consequently, you could say that I believe some cultures are better than others, which, I agree, sounds arrogant), but it is an interesting topic. Maybe an idea for a new thread?

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DEAMONS anyone?

by plmkrzy in

being raised a jw, imho, is basically being raised with more demon influence then anything else.

i do not mean this in the sense that it might be taken.

what it did for me, the up bringing that is, is put the idea in my head that everywhere i went i had to be very careful of satans influence.

Hellrider

I was raised in the truth, I've never had this demon-anxiety though. In my experience it was always the people that had come out of the world that were like this. So the complete opposite of your experience

I think you`re right. LoL, I think it was unclear, what I wrote, so no wonder you misunderstood. What I meant to say, was: I think the people that are most deeply affected by this whole demon-thing (psychologically!), are people who were raised in "the truth". JW-kids. Both my parents became JWs as adults, and my mom was obsessed with that demon-thing, so you might be correct in saying that converts are most obsessed with the demon-thing, I`m not sure. But it was the children and the effect this demon-thing has on them that was my concern with the above post. It`s not the converts that become scarred for life by it (and even if they did, it serves them right for being so stupid to join that ridicolous cult), it is their children.

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DEAMONS anyone?

by plmkrzy in

being raised a jw, imho, is basically being raised with more demon influence then anything else.

i do not mean this in the sense that it might be taken.

what it did for me, the up bringing that is, is put the idea in my head that everywhere i went i had to be very careful of satans influence.

Hellrider

I think there`s a difference here, between people who were raised in "the truth" (like myself and plmkrzy, who started this thread) and people who entered this religion as adults. In my case, my mother was literally "obsessed" (and I mean that in the non-exorcist-way...) with the whole demon-thing. She thought they were everywhere, and talked about it constantly (like she also did with Armageddon). Armageddon and demons, that was her thing. And consequently, us kids became very scared of all that crap too. I think that might be the reasons for those few times I "saw" things as a kid, I mean "not normal" things (like what I refer to as "the little people"). Just a week ago, the woman I`m shacking up with and our kid was away over the weekend. I really don`t like being alone at night, still, and I`m 32 years old. I checked under my bed for demons until I was in my mid-twenties. That`s just not fucking normal. Oh she messed me up bad, that woman. Well, I can`t really blame her, she was not right in the head. I have heard about this "demon-anxiety" from other people who were raised in "the truth" as well, but never from someone who became a JW as an adult (lol, how does that happen anyway, how can anyone be dumb enough to become a JW as an adult, geeze).

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any one here gay

by alexjen in

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friends

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hi my name is alex and i was born in the truth and...i'm still in it.......i'm 15 and openly gay well at least at schooland to all my friends some who are also jw's well the reason for posting this is i wanted to knw if there were any other gay people here......if anyone wants to email me its [email protected].

i want like advice on how i should deal with this cause sometimes i feel this oppression(dont knw if i spelled that right) on being gay and also being a j.w theres this i'm not sure how to explain it....like you knw that when people in your congregation find out the ones you know all ur life are going to hate u cause ur gay............this i guess just makes me feel really sad........ kind of hoping that this made some sorta sence.................... i suck at spelling so if i miss spelled something sorry@_@

Hellrider

I`m not gay, but: Maybe it would be best if you kept a low profile on your sexuality until you`re old enough to go away to college/school or something like that. Either way, you`re going to have to live under your parents` roof for a couple of more years, at least. If you come out now, things might get really weird. Bible studies and crap like that, aspiring young MS`s "studying" with you to teach you about how "bad" homosexuality is. You don`t want that. I`d keep a low profile if I was you. Then move out as soon as you`re 18 (and whatever you do, don`t get baptised), and live your life.

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Is the goatee the new mullet?

by daystar in

when i had very long hair and was debating cutting it all off for the final time, one thing (among others) contributed to my decision to go for it.

now, i don't think i had a mullet.

but the sheer fact that someone said that i did, had me saying nononononooo!!.

Hellrider

Well, there`s a goatee and then there`s a goatee. If it`s 10 inches long, I wouldn`t call it a mullet, I would call it totally cooool. So is the full beard, that rocks too! But if it`s just that tiny spot of hair below the bottom lip (Like a Hitler-mustasch that has fallen down), yes, that`s a mullet. So is the really short, well-trimmed goatee with no mustasch to go with it.

We know, it`s not you in the picture, but in the first post, it sure sounded like it was.

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JW and Jewish kosher

by zagor in

just reading another thread i've noticed something rather interesting.

why is it that jw today do not follow jewish kosher or kashrut of draining every last drop of blood out of meat?

( heb: kaf-shin-resh - fit, proper or correct)

Hellrider

That`s a very good question, Zagor. Actually, butchering an animal kosher or halal, doesn`t get rid of every single blood cell in the meat, but it gets out most of it. So if the JWs are so scared of blood, they definitely should stick to kosher. There is no logic in the JW-religion on this. I remember my JW-grandmother was scared of eggs, because they might have a drop of blood in them. So she always cracked the egg open on a plate first, before she used it in cooking, to make sure that there was no red in it. The hysteria on blood in food was just crazy in the 70s and 80s. I remember believing I had commited a horrible sin because I had eaten a blood orange (oranges that are red inside, they are called "blood oranges"). Well, I was just a kid. Mom read on the package of every sausage in the store, before she bought anything.

The thing is: It is not allowed to eat meat with "blood products" in it. In my country, blood is used in many meat products, it`s tradition. We even have something called "blood pudding". So, JWs are supposed to stay away from these, but they are allowed to eat meat that is NOT butchered kosher.

It doesn`t make any sense.

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Is the goatee the new mullet?

by daystar in

when i had very long hair and was debating cutting it all off for the final time, one thing (among others) contributed to my decision to go for it.

now, i don't think i had a mullet.

but the sheer fact that someone said that i did, had me saying nononononooo!!.

Hellrider

LoL, yes you had a mullet. Not only did you have a mullet, you had a super-mullet. But if you want to be trendy, you should grow it back. I personally think they look horrible, but they are coming back in style now, at least here in Europe.

I have a goatee and a mustasch, and I don`t think the goatee is the new mullet. Anyway, I don`t care. Fashion is stupid. If you follow trends, ever new decade you will be looking back in horror at pictures of yourself from the preceding decade. But there`s such a thing as timelessness! Some things never go out of style! Just a pair of regular jeans, black coat, black boots (not pointed, not high heels, unless you`re a chick), a "neutral" haircut (or shaved head). You`ll never go out of style.

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need data

by mathead in

i am currently doing a mathematical analysis on the remnant population.

(the number of partakers left).

i need the number of remnant for the last 15 years, preferably from the "year book" and the average age of the remnant in 2006. my initial work shows the population figures are tampered with.. i think i can pinpoint what the wts is doing here and how they come up with the figures they do.. thanks for any help here

Hellrider

I see this remnants-dying-off-thing as the least of the WTS` problems. Most JWs have very little, if any, knowledge about the "remnant"/"annointed" and how those things works. The WTS could put any spin they want on that one, none of the R&F ever understood those things anyway. And if the WTS says "the new ones are replacements for some who have died, and it turned out they were wrong in their belief to have been annointed", the great crowd will swallow that one without blinking an eye, because it doesn`t concern them. Because they themselves are not annointed! And even the familys of supposedly "annointed" will swallow this, because the WTS isn`t going to specify which ones (of the dead remnant) that turned out to be "imposters". Of course not, how could they, how should they even know? Afer all, there`s no such thing as "annointed" or "144000" in the first place, ha ha, it`s all just empty words!. So all the families will go "oh, it`s not grandpa this is about, it`s someone else". The WTS can run this scam forever and ever, no problem.