Posts by Hellrider

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JEHOVAH'S NAME IN NEW TESTAMENT

by dobbie in

hi i've noticed in one of the posts that the jw bible put gods name into the new testament,and that it shouldn't be there.

i admit that i'm not the brightest pebble on the beach, but when i was studying they told me that the name jehovah was restored to where it was originally and that the nwt was the most accurately translated bible around.

just wondering how they have got away with doing that if they have blatantly inserted it where it bible scholars would immediately see it shouldn't be?also is there any such thing as the most accurate bible translation cos i'd like to try reading it my myself(without the aid of watchtower publications), but don't know now if i can trust nwt or not.

Hellrider

If Jesus did'nt use the divine name then jws certainly shouldn't surely-wouldn't that be a big sin or blasphemy?Just know i won't be able to sleep now my head's spinning with it all yet again!

LoL. And it gets worse, too. In the Lords prayer, Jesus says "Our Father who art in Heaven, Hallowed be thy Name" etc. A jw would probably use this as an argument that "aha, so Jesus did use the name Jehovah, and it was removed later by those filthy apostates". In reality, it is quite the opposite. The "hallowed be thy name"-part may actually be a command to not use the name, to not say it out loud (and this is made especially clear by the fact that Jesus never uses it). There is a jewish saying somewhere in jewish religious litterature that is almost identical to the Lords prayer, in which it is clear that the name should not be pronounced. Narkissos knows more about that, ask him.

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Nuggets from the newest Study book, "WHAT DOES THE BIBLE Really TEACH?"

by jgnat in

well blow me down.

i learned something new today about jw doctrine.

from page 79 of the "what does the bible really teach?

Hellrider

The JW-doctrine on that eviction of Satan doesn`t make sense a all. Ok, first he rebells with all those other angels, because they want to go down to earth and have sex with all the hot human ladies. Then (if we are following JW-doctrine), he is let back in! - or at least allowed to "hang around" (despite the fact that the Bible clearly teaches (lol) that the disobedient angels are incarsarated in Tartarus, where Jesus goes to visit them/preach to them during his three days of death after the crucifiction) - only to be kicked out again in 1914. Does that make any sens at all? And where is the Biblical evidence (other than that it has to be this way for the JW-doctrine/puzzle to add up) ?. JWs, if you read this post: Think about this one! Then go ask your local elder for an explanation.

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So what really happened in 1914?

by drew sagan in

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just got to the point in the 'gentile times' book where he starts talking about the wts claim that christs kingdom was set up in 1914. this of course contradicts a number of sciptures including: .

eph 1:20 - that raised christ from the dead and seated him in the place of honor at god's right hand in the heavenly realms.

21now he is far above any ruler or authority or power or leader or anything else in this world or in the world to come.

Hellrider

The witness answer will be a combination of "the great apostasy" among the christians somewhere in, oh...the 3rd century? Along with the same old "signs of his presence", verses ripped out of context from Luke 21, Matthew 24 etc. Their doctrine is completely unscriptural, of course, there is nothing in the Bible about Jesus taking over power in heaven twice. Point that out to them. Also, when they bring up verses from the Gospels, show them that there is nothing in those verses hat indicates that those verses is about Jesus taking power in heaven invisibly! On the contrary, the "signs of the end of age" are about his physical return to earth. His return to earth will be clear for everyone to see, signs in the sky, roaring of the ocean, etc. "Parousia" doesn`t mean "invisible presence", it just means "presence". Look up any greek dictionary.

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Number of people baptized at the Germany conventions

by brianhenke in

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hamburg 248 .

dortmund unknown .

munich unknown .

Hellrider

I can see it now, a sign above the gates into the assembly "Arbeit Macht Frei"

Ha ha! Omg, lol, that was funny (but worldly Andre, be careful with that, germans are a bit sore about that whole era/issue...much more than the rest of the world)...

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Is Jehovah Satan?

by sinis in

found this interesting snipit from a website.

actually makes sense.

the god of the ot is very violent, no matter how many ways you cut it.. religions fail to understand that jehovah is not the peaceful god that jesus called "father.

Hellrider

WoW, I never noticed that thing about Samuel and Chronicles. Here are the passages for those interested:

2 Samuel 24.1:

24:1 The Lord’s anger again raged against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go count Israel and Judah.” 24:2 The king told Joab, the general in command of his army, “Go through all the tribes of Israel from Dan to Beer Sheba and muster the army, so I may know the size of the army.”

1 Chronicles 21.1:

21:1 An adversary1 opposed Israel, inciting David to count how many warriors Israel had. 21:2 David told Joab and the leaders of the army, “Go, count the number of warriors from Beer Sheba to Dan. Then bring back a report to me so I may know how many we have

"Adversary" here doesn`t necessarily meant the Satan, but a Satan. Still, that is not "the Lord" from 2 Samuel...hmmm...

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Message about Yugoslav apostate work, help needed to locate old scans

by jwfacts in

i just received the following email to jwfacts.com from an apostate in yugoslavia.

it is good to hear that even poorer countries are starting to find out the truth.

can anyone recommend the best sites for him go to in order to find old scanned articles?

Hellrider

Yugoslav apostate: You can find tons of scans at MacGregor ministries:

http://www.macgregorministries.org/jehovahs_witnesses/scans.html

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What is all this about Smurfs?

by Stealth453 in

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i have been out a long time, and i have recently noticed a lot of you making mention of smurfs.. obviously, i have missed something.

has the watchliar sociopath society "demonized" smurfs somewhere along the line.. reminds me of the old fear of paintings of clowns, with big eyes, that made the rounds back in the late 60's, early 70's.

Hellrider

I never knew about the smurf-thing either, must have been to young. But I remember well how I wasn`t allowed to go watch E.T at the cinema, or have any E.T-toys. There were a whole bunch of crazy things. The bands Kiss and Wasp were believed to stand for "kids in satans service" (or something like that) and wasp stood for "we are satans people", etc. There were tons of JW-urban legends, but I missed out on the smurfs. Must have been a U.S-thing.

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Children of God

by Silvia Plath in

you guys should check this out.

http://www.movingon.org/.

if you thought you had it bad, here is a cult, that said out in the open at one point that sex should be normalized for children in such a way, that one could participate children in sex and there was nothing wrong with it!

Hellrider

I read about that not long ago. There were headlines not long ago in newspapers all over the world, when one of the molested children, Ricky Rodrigues, took revenge, and killed some of his molesters. After that he commited suicide. He was a young man when he did it, around 20. He made a videotape before he did it, explaining why. I think something like that is just bound to happen with the JWs too, sooner or later. The molesters forget one thing: The kids sooner or later grow up, and they don`t forget.

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Sexual Practices--Mosaic Law and JWs

by blondie in

there was a thread by almostatheist illustrating how the wts could interfere in the sex lives of jws.

this is a topic from the 6/1/2006 wt questions from readers:

in the mosaic law, why were certain natural sexual functions viewed as making a person "unclean"?

Hellrider

Yes. You should follow the Bible's advice in Proverbs 6:9: "When the red river flows, take the muddy path"

Yuck...I never liked that. That hole is for pooping, and pooping only imo.

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Sexual Practices--Mosaic Law and JWs

by blondie in

there was a thread by almostatheist illustrating how the wts could interfere in the sex lives of jws.

this is a topic from the 6/1/2006 wt questions from readers:

in the mosaic law, why were certain natural sexual functions viewed as making a person "unclean"?

Hellrider

Do they seriously DF people for driving the red fire truck? Rowing the boat up the red river? That`s a DFing offense? There might be a lot of brothers and sisters out there that have a lot to repent then, I think...