Posts by Hellrider

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OK believers, time to put up or shut up...

by Gregor in

apparently, a large percentage of xjw's who post on this site have embraced some other form of god/jesus belief to replace the wt doctrine.

most of them fall into the "i accept the lord jesus christ as my personal savior" class.

they are still extremely attached to the old "forgiveness of sin through the shed blood of jc" line.

Hellrider

Gregor:

Well, well. Isn't this a revealing development of a topic discussion on this particular site, a site that primarily focuses on the shortcomings of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society? So, let's pretend for a moment that the name of the topic was -
"OK, Jehovah's Witnesses Incorporated, time to put up or shut up"
I guess it all depends on whose ox is being gored. "We reject the WTS and their BS. We only believe our own BS, and it really pisses us off when someone points it out to us

Lol, that`s pretty good. That`s definitely something to think about. I like the wording too (in church lady voice): "Well, well...isn`t this special...".

But on the other hand, is it really necessary to throw the baby out with the water? The problem is that mankind seems to have this predisposition for religion. Religion has been with us since we were living in caves. You can be as an aggressive, intellectual atheist as you like, you won`t be able to beat something like that. In my opinion, there`s bad religion, and then there`s some that can be "good". Good religion is religion that doesn`t corrupt the individual, and make the individual more evil than they are predisposed of being. Some religions, and religious sects, I believe, do this. I have met many evil super-religious people, but many good "slightly" religious people. I think the best alternative is to view "moderate" religion as good for the masses. After all, the last illusion is that man can rid himself of all illusions. A lot of people would be lost without the belief in God. But on the other hand, a lot of people could do much better with a much more moderate and modern version of their religion too.

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!!!!!!!!!! New Elder Video !!!!!!!!!!!!!

by SickofLies in

this time they really did call the police on me lol!

they backed out though, they called, then canceled the call after a while and the police never came to charge me with recording them, pitty really.. http://www.quad-central.com/~dan2007.

there is the link, i was unable to edit the audio file like i usually do to take out the blank spaces and amplify the volume, so if someone could do that with the wav file on the server that would be great!.

Hellrider

lol, that was funny. "We`re having you charged for...uh....violating our rights". Yeah right. They probably actually believe that they have the right to walk all over people, poking around in peoples private lives the way they do. Damn psychopaths. They looked like they wanted to physically attack you, well, if they hadn`t been such pussies, that is.

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OK believers, time to put up or shut up...

by Gregor in

apparently, a large percentage of xjw's who post on this site have embraced some other form of god/jesus belief to replace the wt doctrine.

most of them fall into the "i accept the lord jesus christ as my personal savior" class.

they are still extremely attached to the old "forgiveness of sin through the shed blood of jc" line.

Hellrider

Suppose Adolf Hitler was the baby who drowned in a bucket of water. From the perspective of little Adolf's parents, tragedy. From the perspective of neighbors, "WHY God, oh WHY did little Adolf have to die?" From the perspective of many holocaust survivors, they very much wish Adolf had drowned in a bucket with four inches of water as a baby. From the perspective of other potential victims of planned genocide that were unsuccessful because of the lessons learned through the example of the Nazi regime, they should be quite pleased that Adolf did not die.
Which would have been a good outcome if we look back at the history after 200,000 years? Which the evil outcome? What is "tragedy" in any objective sense when you have no idea the world we would live in had the "tragedy" not occurred? This is not an argument in favor of nihilism, merely an objective recognition of the fact that to know what harm is requires an ability to know a history that never occurred.

That is damn good, AuldSoul.

There is so much we don`t know. The whole point of "God" is to realise this fact, and then, to avoid just drowning in despair over all the horror (which we couldn`t possibly ever understand), "give yourself" to God. It sounds primitive, and it can be, but I think it`s also beautiful. I`m not a christian, but I think I understand the whole idea.

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OK believers, time to put up or shut up...

by Gregor in

apparently, a large percentage of xjw's who post on this site have embraced some other form of god/jesus belief to replace the wt doctrine.

most of them fall into the "i accept the lord jesus christ as my personal savior" class.

they are still extremely attached to the old "forgiveness of sin through the shed blood of jc" line.

Hellrider

Gregor: The thing is, without "something bigger than us" (as in "God" or at least "eternal, objective ethical values"), there is no reason to be upset about 18 months old babies drowning or passanger planes falling out of the sky (as sick as it sounds). Without something eternally existing, spiritual, whether you call it "God" or "objective moral standards" (which is...almost the same as God?), all those bodies are just corruptable, meaningless flesh. Of course, that could very well be the case. But if so, you`re better of not thinking to much about these horrible things...

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In ref. to child abuse

by jw in

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ok all time to get real.

child abuse is not limited to jw's.. if you truly want to stop child abuse first start with the family , and be honest we all have a relative that is a pedophile.. then protect your family from stranger danger.. don't just isolate to jw's.. expand and truly stop the child abuse world wide.

Hellrider

Jw:

Hellrider - I WONDERED THE SAME THING, what do the Menedez bros have to do with anything. I choose not to repond at times. Especially when I am being insulted, ridiculed, etc... And for what purpose. Everyone hear seems to have a one tract mind , closed.

That`s ok. But perhaps you could explain what was the purpose of posting the pics of the Menendez-brothers, and the summary of their trial? Whatever you meant by posting that, well, it was lost on us. So please explain...

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In ref. to child abuse

by jw in

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ok all time to get real.

child abuse is not limited to jw's.. if you truly want to stop child abuse first start with the family , and be honest we all have a relative that is a pedophile.. then protect your family from stranger danger.. don't just isolate to jw's.. expand and truly stop the child abuse world wide.

Hellrider

Looking_glass: I suspect that was a JW-psychopath-troll, probably posting out of the motherTower. It`s funny, even when they try to troll around in defense of the wtbts, they can`t even do it without us seeing straight thru them.

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In ref. to child abuse

by jw in

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ok all time to get real.

child abuse is not limited to jw's.. if you truly want to stop child abuse first start with the family , and be honest we all have a relative that is a pedophile.. then protect your family from stranger danger.. don't just isolate to jw's.. expand and truly stop the child abuse world wide.

Hellrider

Jw: And that post with the pictures of the Menendez is supposed to say what? That kids can sometimes lie and be cruel to "get" their parents?

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British College: Non-Muslims are "filth", "pigs" and "dogs"

by Elsewhere in

jw
friends

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2142403,00.html.

the times april 20, 2006 .

muslim students 'being taught to despise unbelievers as filth'.

Hellrider

MuaDib:

Hellrider, my point wasn't that you must be a Bush supporter - I didn't state that, nor did I even imply it. My point was merely that American neoconservatism is more dangerous than radical Islam, a proposition with which I see you agree, at least somewhat.

The key word here is "at least somewhat". I agree, because of the development in the muslim countries, both the (poor) socioeconomic development, but also (to a certain extent) the development within the religion Islam itself. What many people don`t understand about Islam, is that it isn`t just a religion/religious movement, it is also a political movement. This is how it started out. Mohammad was no Jesus Christ teaching "turning the other cheek" and peace and forgiveness, he was a political and military leader, and this side of Islam is highly reflected both in the Quran in the Hadith. While christianity was born as a religion of peace, although it evolved into violence a few hundred years after Jesus` death, Islam was born in violence, and consequently, the Quran resembles much more the OT than the NT (in my opinion). Islam spread out in the first few hundred years after Mohammad, entered into Europe, and Islamised parts of Spain, before they were stopped. They stopped, not because they felt that they had enough, but because Europe was growing stronger, and resisted the moslems (ok, this is oversimplifying, but basically...). Had it not been for that, you and I would be praying five times a day, today, facing the east. Islam has had no international intentions since then, because they haven`t had a chance, Europe grew to strong. And after a while, Islam "calmed down". But now they seem to be getting back to their violent roots, the Islam of Mohammad, the Islam of the peninsula 1300 years ago. Really cool, that is, I like seing people finding back to their roots. They are showing us all what Islam originally was.

As for your idea about "closing down the borders" - I pointed out why that won't work in the long term. You might not be a Bush supporter, but you certainly sound like a xenophobe

I`m sorry, I didn`t quite get what you said about why closing down the border wouldn`t work. Xenophobe? Not really. I have nothing against people of other races. Any afro-american can come and live in my country anytime. Non-moslem africans are also ok. But please, no moslems. As for American politics, I think Pat Buchanan has a lot of interesting things to say.

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The funeral

by MadamDefiance in

i guess you could say i grew up as a lamb in the organization.

encouraged to get baptized at age 14 so i followed the crowd of eager robots thinking it would impress mom.

(such a fine christian sister) hey that's all i knew at that time.

Hellrider

MadamDefiance:

Later Granny died, my mother (remains a J.W.) took over the funeral arrangements. Now, not only did my family in california have to travel to Tx for the funeral (non-J.W.)
But My mom gave my gran-mother a Jehovah's Witness funeral. All my mom's friends from the kingdomhall was there. They stared me down like zombies. Not even a word was spoken to me. The elder giving the funeral talk says only J. W. will get into the kingdom of God but for non- believers there can be hope of a resurrection..... Now I repeat my gran-mother was not a witness!

Exactly the same thing that happened to my grandfather! Not a religious bone in that old business mans body, but hey, his daughter made sure he had the whole arrangement, ressurection hope blah blah etc. I just stood up and walked out. They all looked at me like I was the devil or something.

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Secret Bible on National Geographic

by Hellrider in

...has started now.

the episode that aired tonight was about early christianity, all the differing views on jesus, and about all the other messiahs.

gnosticism was also mentioned.

Hellrider

...has started now. I like it. The episode that aired tonight was about early christianity, all the differing views on Jesus, and about all the other Messiahs. Gnosticism was also mentioned. What do you all think of the show? And what do you think JWs will think, if they watch the show? (The show doesn`t really give the fairytale-version of early christianity that JWs believe in, lol).