Posts by ThomasCovenant

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The JW funeral talk outline - poor taste or REALLY poor taste?

by Mr. Falcon in

so i attended a funeral for a jw who passed away (non-"annointed) and i would have to state that although i have heard the standard funeral talk outline for dozens of funerals i've attended, i never really took the time to listen.

and my god, i was cringing.

the outline is essentially broken down like this:.

ThomasCovenant

Hope it is ok to copy and paste this from docbob's site.

Funeral talk outline

http://www.docbob.org/wordpress/?p=70

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The Great Tribulation May Have Started

by headisspinning in

my ex husband who is a jw just sent me this:.

"the world is on the precipice of a major multifaceted crisis.

the great tribulation may have just started.. .

ThomasCovenant

I think I remember the same thing being said back in Sept 01. Funny that.

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Local JW's a little slack in their preaching efforts?

by cognizant dissident in

so, i'm sitting at my desk one morning, about a week ago.

the desk is right beside my sliding glass door in my new ground floor suite.

the drapes are wide open and i'm sitting in full view of anyone coming up the driveway.

ThomasCovenant

Mission = Count Time Knocking Doors

Object = Get in 4 actual hours. Then multiply it by a time, times and half a time to get 10 hours.

Report.

Hazards along the way; people.

Scenario 1, A door. Approach it. 50/50 there is someone in to talk to.

Feel lucky? Knock it.

Feel unlucky? Knock gently or not at all.

Scenario 2, A real person in full view who I will most definitely have to speak to.

Feel lucky? Ignore them.

Feel unlucky? Ignore them.

Two reasons

1) Don't believe what they are doing.

2) They do believe it but don't care about you.

It is such a shame, the time wasted on door knocking.

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A question, most probably for Christians, regarding what difference Jesus' existence has made.

by ThomasCovenant in

i was wondering what actually has changed for the human race since jesus was born, lived and died on earth specifically with regard to those who were living prior to his earthly existence as opposed to after.

would it have made any difference if he had arrived in 3975 bc, or even if he hadn't yet arrived and was due to be born say in 2150 ad?.

i get the impression that christians are very grateful that jesus came and 'died for our sins' but what difference does it make if he wasn't even due yet?

ThomasCovenant

Thanks for the replies. I'm still a little confused though.

According to Christian belief, all mankind has benefitted equally since Jesus' death.

I assume that means all, as in, those who were dead before he came as well as all the people yet to be born.

I hope I'm making myself clear here.

If, therefore, those who were dead already have equally benefitted, then it doesn't seem to make any difference if he died in 33 AD or 3000 AD.

If people who were born after his death have enjoyed a better life because of his death then would it not have been better for him to have died in 4000 BC?

So far man has lived for (according to JW theology) just over 6000 years. 4000 were pre Christ and 2000 post. Plus whatever is to come in the future.

Just my way of looking at things. I assume I'm missing something.

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A question, most probably for Christians, regarding what difference Jesus' existence has made.

by ThomasCovenant in

i was wondering what actually has changed for the human race since jesus was born, lived and died on earth specifically with regard to those who were living prior to his earthly existence as opposed to after.

would it have made any difference if he had arrived in 3975 bc, or even if he hadn't yet arrived and was due to be born say in 2150 ad?.

i get the impression that christians are very grateful that jesus came and 'died for our sins' but what difference does it make if he wasn't even due yet?

ThomasCovenant

Hi,

I was wondering what actually has changed for the human race since Jesus was born, lived and died on earth specifically with regard to those who were living prior to his earthly existence as opposed to after.

Would it have made any difference if he had arrived in 3975 BC, or even if he hadn't yet arrived and was due to be born say in 2150 AD?

I get the impression that Christians are very grateful that Jesus came and 'died for our sins' but what difference does it make if he wasn't even due yet? How is someone's earthly or heavenly (or helly) life changed? Are people born after 35 AD better off than those born before 3 BC?

PS I am an atheist but was hoping some comments might help for me to appreciate an alternative viewpoint. I am not looking to ridicule.

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Oath of Allegiance and Jehovah's Witnesses

by Marvin Shilmer in

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oath of allegiance and jehovah's witnesses.

in preparation for additional material planned for my blog, today i loaded onto the front page the 2008 article on national oaths of allegiance and jehovahs witnesses.

this edition has a slight revision in two footnotes that had minor typographical errors.

ThomasCovenant

Thank you very much for this. I find it almost, but not quite, uneffingbelievable.

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Oath of Allegiance -- You will want to read this

by Marvin Shilmer in

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oath of allegiance.

a story that needs telling, in pictures: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2010/05/oath-of-allegiance.html .

marvin shilmer.

ThomasCovenant

Thank you

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JWs and National Oaths of Allegiance Expose' by Marvin Shilmer-Please Read

by AndersonsInfo in

the following three paragraphs are part of a startling new essay written by a well-respected poster on jwd.

he spent much time and money to gather proof of duplicity on the part of watch tower leaders.

marvin shilmer (not his real name) has given permission for me to put his entire essay on my website, www.watchtowerdocuments.com.

ThomasCovenant

Thank you

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1943-44 Milton Henschel Historical Documents

by Marvin Shilmer in

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1943-44 milton henschel historical documents.

today i uploaded some historical documents that researchers might find helpful.

these documents show milton henschel at 23 years of age.

ThomasCovenant

Thank you for your research and postings.

Do all American's have to sign the same oath today to get a passport?

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Here i am....

by makersmark in

here i am - born in truth, hard-core spiritual everything all my life, early reg.pioneer, ms, elder, assembly parts, tour at bethel, etc, married now...... i'm trying to examine jw teachings a little closer...... i've spent the last two weeks reading many many posts, info , references on where ex-jw's are coming from.

i'm kind of concerned about a few things lately..... honestly - some points make sense to me - some don't - here are my general thoughts:.

-wt getting un membership for access to library - doesnt bother me - some passports and other governement documents have similar forms and requirements..... -blood issue - some counterpoints to the jw 'rules' makes sense (original intent of scripture is unbled animals, white blood cells similar in mothers milk) etc -however a lot of 'apostate' reasonings and proof are inaccurate.

ThomasCovenant

Hello Makersmark

Thanks for joining and contributing.

Do you believe that the 'faithful and discreet slave' aka the Governing Body are God's sole appointed channel of truth on earth today?

If YES, then you have to accept everything they tell you to accept. End of. Do not pass go.

If NO, then they are no different to the plumber who lives opposite me. Or my dentist. Or my taxi driver.

If YES, then all the people who have died because of the blood and organ issue will be resurrected

If NO, then they, and indirectly you, are part of the reason they died.

The fact that you are here tells me you believe NO.

To say it out loud, NO, is difficult to do.