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  The arrogance in the 15th July 2011 Watchtower.

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  sorry if this has already been discussed.

  i've only just had a quick look at the 15th july wt.

  once again i've looked at it from the point of view of the governing body dictating to their secretary, the text to rush down to the printing press.. page 21 para 16/17.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Aussie Oz, todays text,

  Furthermore, Jehovah usually exercises his authority through us seven members of the Governing Body whom he entrusts with responsibility to care for his people. If you were to rebel against us, how would Jehovah view your actions?

  ''We must show respect for authority. Why is this so difficult for us to do at times? For one thing, humans in positions of authority are imperfect. In addition, we ourselves are imperfect. We struggle with an inborn tendency to rebel. You might wonder, then, ‘If it is such a challenge for us to respect authority, why do we need to do it?' The answer comes down to the issue of sovereignty. Whom will you choose as your sovereign, your ruler? If we choose Jehovah as our Sovereign, we need to respect his authority. If we do not, can we truthfully call him our Ruler? Furthermore, Jehovah usually exercises his authority through imperfect humans whom he entrusts with responsibility to care for his people. If we were to rebel against those humans, how would Jehovah view our actions?''
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  The arrogance in the 15th July 2011 Watchtower.

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  sorry if this has already been discussed.

  i've only just had a quick look at the 15th july wt.

  once again i've looked at it from the point of view of the governing body dictating to their secretary, the text to rush down to the printing press.. page 21 para 16/17.

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  ThomasCovenant

  To 'doubtful'

  Yes, the words in quotes are a copy and paste quotation.

  My interpretaion of what they actually mean are the first bit.
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  The arrogance in the 15th July 2011 Watchtower.

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  sorry if this has already been discussed.

  i've only just had a quick look at the 15th july wt.

  once again i've looked at it from the point of view of the governing body dictating to their secretary, the text to rush down to the printing press.. page 21 para 16/17.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Sorry if this has already been discussed. I've only just had a quick look at the 15th July WT. Once again I've looked at it from the point of view of the Governing Body dictating to their secretary, the text to rush down to the printing press.

  Page 21 para 16/17

  Jehovah tells you lot through us seven guys in Brooklyn about his purpose and what he wants from you. You can enter into Jehovah's
  rest if you obey him and work with us.

  But you are acting against Jehovah's purpose if you do not obey us or if you choose to obey only what you think is important. And
  if you act against Jehovah's purpose, you cannot be his friends.

  ''Jehovah tells us through his organization about his purpose and what he wants from us. We can enter into Jehovah's rest if we obey him and work with his organization.

  17 But we are acting against Jehovah's purpose if we do not obey the faithful and discreet slave or if we choose to obey only what we think is important. And if we act against Jehovah's purpose, we cannot be his friends''
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  The Ransom for Nitwits

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mark 10:45: "for even the son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.".

  1 timothy 2:5-6: "for there is one god, and one mediator between god and men, the man christ jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.".

  the ransom that was taught for the first 1,000 years of christianity.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Far(kel) too clever by far(kel).
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  Undercover apostates...

  by Maze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've observed some forum users here that claim to be active witnesses (even claims to be ministerial servants or elders) while duplicitously supporting apostates online.

  my contention is this; why attend meetings and/or participate in the preaching activity when the second you divulge your apostate thinking into the congregation, you'll be disfellowshipped?

  while this action taken may seem to be harsh, the outworking of events wouldn't be much different in one of christendom's churches.

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  Maze said, ''The only conclusion to be reached is "undercover apostate" stories are cooked up on the internet''

  Yes, logically that is the only conclusion to be reached. Well done. I'd never thought of that before. Thank you.
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  Out of the mouths of babes. 1983 yearbook.

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1983 yearbook p11.. the puerto rico branch tells about an interested person who was studying with a special pioneer but whose husband showed no desire to do so.

  one day his five-year-old daughter said, "daddy, i want to grow up so i can be baptized.

  " later she said, "daddy, please study the bible with jehovah's witnesses so that you will not be destroyed and then you can be with us in paradise.

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  ThomasCovenant

  1983 Yearbook p11.

  The Puerto Rico branch tells about an interested person who was studying with a special pioneer but whose husband showed no desire to do so. One day his five-year-old daughter said, "Daddy, I want to grow up so I can be baptized." Later she said, "Daddy, please study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses so that you will not be destroyed and then you can be with us in Paradise." These words of the young child and the great change in his wife's conduct made him think. He asked for a Bible study and is making good progress
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  JWs Not Allowed to Post on Websites?

  by StandFirm in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this seems to be a favorite topic to bring up to any witnesses who post on any website where there are any opposers, either here or topix or anywhere.. so, here is the one and only place i will be discussing it.

  who can prove that witnesses are specifically told not to post on websites about them?.

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  ThomasCovenant

  It appears 'StandFirm' is correct.

  If you type in the phrase 'do not post on websites' into the 2010 cdrom nothing comes up.
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  How come it was Our Kingdom Ministry then it was Our Kingdom Service then it was changed back to Our Kingdom Ministry?

  by hoser in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it was okm in the old days 50s and 60s then it was our kingdom service in the 70's then they changed it back again??????.

  this is the publication used at the service meeting thursday nights showing how to preach in the territory..

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  Our Kingdom Ministry Jan '82 Branch Letter

  ''Dear Brothers:
  How we rejoiced over the article on ‘God's Ministers' in the March 15, 1981, issue of The Watchtower! As stated on page 18: "All dedicated and baptized Christians, regardless of sex or age, can be proclaimers, preachers, ministers, . . . provided they give proof thereof by their conduct and their witnessing." As the apostle Paul did, we, too, desire to ‘glorify our ministry.' Is that not the way you feel about it? In harmony with the information recently published on this subject, it is most appropriate that the title of this publication now appears as Our Kingdom Ministry''
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  Will you attend the Kingdom Hall for a funeral of parents who are still JW's? If not, do you tell them beforehand?

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was recently talking to an ex witness whose elderly parents, and in law parents, are still witnesses.. as shocking and incomprehensible as it may seem to both sets of parents, this ex witness believes that, just like every other human throughout human history, they are going to die.

  now this ex witness has expressed to me that he won't ever step foot in a kingdom hall again.. he is in a dillemma as to what to do about their funerals.

  he does not want to attend any service held at the kingdom hall as the service will be heavily controlled by the seven members of the governing body that reside in brooklyn and who don't know his parents at all.. he is quite willing to stand outside the hall, or attend the crematorium or gravesite or funeral home and also any wake that takes place afterwards as people are more free to express themselves in a less formal setting.

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  ThomasCovenant

  I was recently talking to an ex Witness whose elderly parents, and in law parents, are still Witnesses.

  As shocking and incomprehensible as it may seem to both sets of parents, this ex Witness believes that, just like every other human throughout human history, they are going to die.

  Now this ex Witness has expressed to me that he won't ever step foot in a Kingdom Hall again.

  He is in a dillemma as to what to do about their funerals. He does not want to attend any service held at the Kingdom Hall as the service will be heavily controlled by the seven members of the Governing Body that reside in Brooklyn and who don't know his parents at all.

  He is quite willing to stand outside the Hall, or attend the crematorium or gravesite or funeral home and also any wake that takes place afterwards as people are more free to express themselves in a less formal setting. But as a matter of principle against the Watchtower religion he was quite insistent that he will not enter the Hall for the funeral service.

  Now his problem is, does he wait until after the first relative dies and then just not enter the Hall but stay outside, or, does he inform his still living parents beforehand and tell them, in a loving way, that he just cannot bring himself to attend their upcoming funerals if they take place in a Kingdom Hall?

  If he just waits till the first funeral, he will only be upsetting the surviving parent who he realizes will already be in a very low state emotionally (although really should be ecstatic at the thought that their spouse has made it to the New System).

  If he speaks to both parents before either of them dies then he will be upsetting both of them but at least the survivor won't be so shocked at the non attendance of their son.

  Any thoughts on his thinking process?

  Any advice?

  Would you attend the Hall or not?
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  Have the Watchtower Society ever printed that Satan had a part in removing God's name from the Bible?

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as per the title.

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  i've had a quick look but cannot find any quotes specifically blaming sate..

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  ThomasCovenant

  Thank you AnnOMaly. I have searched 2010 Cdrom but didn't see that one.

  As others have said, if they are admitting that Satan has altered the Bible then it surely follows that I can't trust it.