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  JWs Not Allowed to Post on Websites?

  by StandFirm in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this seems to be a favorite topic to bring up to any witnesses who post on any website where there are any opposers, either here or topix or anywhere.. so, here is the one and only place i will be discussing it.

  who can prove that witnesses are specifically told not to post on websites about them?.

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  ThomasCovenant

  It appears 'StandFirm' is correct.

  If you type in the phrase 'do not post on websites' into the 2010 cdrom nothing comes up.
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  How come it was Our Kingdom Ministry then it was Our Kingdom Service then it was changed back to Our Kingdom Ministry?

  by hoser in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it was okm in the old days 50s and 60s then it was our kingdom service in the 70's then they changed it back again??????.

  this is the publication used at the service meeting thursday nights showing how to preach in the territory..

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  ThomasCovenant

  Our Kingdom Ministry Jan '82 Branch Letter

  ''Dear Brothers:
  How we rejoiced over the article on ‘God's Ministers' in the March 15, 1981, issue of The Watchtower! As stated on page 18: "All dedicated and baptized Christians, regardless of sex or age, can be proclaimers, preachers, ministers, . . . provided they give proof thereof by their conduct and their witnessing." As the apostle Paul did, we, too, desire to ‘glorify our ministry.' Is that not the way you feel about it? In harmony with the information recently published on this subject, it is most appropriate that the title of this publication now appears as Our Kingdom Ministry''
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  Will you attend the Kingdom Hall for a funeral of parents who are still JW's? If not, do you tell them beforehand?

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was recently talking to an ex witness whose elderly parents, and in law parents, are still witnesses.. as shocking and incomprehensible as it may seem to both sets of parents, this ex witness believes that, just like every other human throughout human history, they are going to die.

  now this ex witness has expressed to me that he won't ever step foot in a kingdom hall again.. he is in a dillemma as to what to do about their funerals.

  he does not want to attend any service held at the kingdom hall as the service will be heavily controlled by the seven members of the governing body that reside in brooklyn and who don't know his parents at all.. he is quite willing to stand outside the hall, or attend the crematorium or gravesite or funeral home and also any wake that takes place afterwards as people are more free to express themselves in a less formal setting.

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  ThomasCovenant

  I was recently talking to an ex Witness whose elderly parents, and in law parents, are still Witnesses.

  As shocking and incomprehensible as it may seem to both sets of parents, this ex Witness believes that, just like every other human throughout human history, they are going to die.

  Now this ex Witness has expressed to me that he won't ever step foot in a Kingdom Hall again.

  He is in a dillemma as to what to do about their funerals. He does not want to attend any service held at the Kingdom Hall as the service will be heavily controlled by the seven members of the Governing Body that reside in Brooklyn and who don't know his parents at all.

  He is quite willing to stand outside the Hall, or attend the crematorium or gravesite or funeral home and also any wake that takes place afterwards as people are more free to express themselves in a less formal setting. But as a matter of principle against the Watchtower religion he was quite insistent that he will not enter the Hall for the funeral service.

  Now his problem is, does he wait until after the first relative dies and then just not enter the Hall but stay outside, or, does he inform his still living parents beforehand and tell them, in a loving way, that he just cannot bring himself to attend their upcoming funerals if they take place in a Kingdom Hall?

  If he just waits till the first funeral, he will only be upsetting the surviving parent who he realizes will already be in a very low state emotionally (although really should be ecstatic at the thought that their spouse has made it to the New System).

  If he speaks to both parents before either of them dies then he will be upsetting both of them but at least the survivor won't be so shocked at the non attendance of their son.

  Any thoughts on his thinking process?

  Any advice?

  Would you attend the Hall or not?
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  Have the Watchtower Society ever printed that Satan had a part in removing God's name from the Bible?

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as per the title.

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  i've had a quick look but cannot find any quotes specifically blaming sate..

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  Thank you AnnOMaly. I have searched 2010 Cdrom but didn't see that one.

  As others have said, if they are admitting that Satan has altered the Bible then it surely follows that I can't trust it.
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  How (not) to destroy a thread and turn it into a battleground

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we are adults here and don't want jwn to reflect a hostile enviornment for lurkers who may.

  wish to learn about the watchtower.

  many first timers might be very curious to discover whether.

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  ThomasCovenant

  9 .Learn to IGNORE trouble-makers by NOT ACKNOWLEDGING THEM. Trouble-makers crave a fight. It puts them on center stage. Ignoring them

  shuts them out in the dark with their poison all to themselves.

  I couldn't agree more than with this point no 9. There are some posters on the site that I regret to say stir up feelings of what can only be described as violent, nay murderous hatred . I cannot see the point of arguing with them; they NEVER acknowledge any middle ground.

  I try and follow Lady Lee's advice. 'If I can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.'

  10.Be quick to apologize if you offend.

  Try and imagine, as Simon points out, that we are in his house having a little get together. He has invited us around and we should try to just be civil at least. (I think by now the police would have been called in for some major public disorder)
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  Have the Watchtower Society ever printed that Satan had a part in removing God's name from the Bible?

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as per the title.

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  i've had a quick look but cannot find any quotes specifically blaming sate..

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  ThomasCovenant

  As per the title.

  I've had a quick look but cannot find any quotes specifically blaming Sate.
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  June 15 W/T - "Should Youths Get Baptised?"

  by sizemik in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the above mentioned article caught my eye for a couple of reasons .

  .. it is obvious to most observers that the children of active jw's provide a potential "large army" and in spite of the attrition rate of jw youths (around 2/3's i believe), it's a resource the borg are keen to maximise.

  there tactics appear to be encouraging baptism at an ever younger age.

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  ThomasCovenant

  This is the youngest age for baptism I have found so far in the WT literature

  Watchtower 15th Jan '88 p28

  ''Among those getting baptized were an 8-year-old girl who conducts two Bible studies with schoolmates, a 79-year-old man, and a 44-year-old quadriplegic.''

  Just spotted Blondie's, who else, 7 year old from '56 WT.
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  Want to quit Bible study

  by confusedstudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi i was just looking for some advice.

  i have been studying with the jw's for over a year now, and attended 2 memorials and the district/assembly conventions.

  at first, and up until very recently i truly believed what i was learning was the truth.

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  ThomasCovenant

  I'm sure you'll be ok. After all, out of the 99.99% of the world's population that are not JW's, many seem to get on quite nicely with their lives. Well done.
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  Want to quit Bible study

  by confusedstudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi i was just looking for some advice.

  i have been studying with the jw's for over a year now, and attended 2 memorials and the district/assembly conventions.

  at first, and up until very recently i truly believed what i was learning was the truth.

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  ThomasCovenant

  I want to quit my Bible study

  I want to quit purchasing that second hand car

  Car salesman, ''We have the car for you. Trust me when I tell you it has only done 20,000 miles and does 80mpg, and will never let you down.''

  JW sister, ''We have the only true religion for you. Trust me when I tell you we are right.''

  Car salesman, ''Don't bother to read any negative reviews by third party independent reviewers of this vehicle. They are all lies.''

  JW sister, ''Don't bother to read anything negative about our organization. It is all lies by evil people blinded by Satan.''

  Car salesman, ''Whatever you do, do not listen to anything the former owner of this lovely little motor may say about it. What does he know?''

  JW sister, ''Whatever you do, do not listen to anything former Witnesses may say. What do they know?''

  Confused Student, tell them you'd never buy a second hand vehicle without doing some basic research about the make and model and the retailer and likewise after doing similar research about JW's you have come to the conclusion that you no longer wish to 'buy' into it.

  It'll be worth it in the long run.
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  Nine hundred Christians

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. social
  2. humour

  http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/nine-hundred-christians-make-slight-change-to-their-delusion-201104213745/.

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  ThomasCovenant

  http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/nine-hundred-christians-make-slight-change-to-their-delusion-201104213745/