I agree with you, all the credibility and power that is given to these ancient books is unbelievable. If people start seeing them for what they are we might even have world peace!
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Christians, Jews, and Muslims are Wrong
by ICBehindtheCurtain inhey guys, i found this and thought i'de share it, it's very "politically incorrect", this guy has balls, to say all this, there's a couple of things he got wrong, like that god whispere in muhammad's ear, when it was supposedly an angel that appeard to him, and the shellfish thing, when shrimp are really cretaceous.
enjoy!!.
hey this is my first topic, post.. if you're a christian, muslim or jew - you are wrong .
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Christians, Jews, and Muslims are Wrong
by ICBehindtheCurtain inhey guys, i found this and thought i'de share it, it's very "politically incorrect", this guy has balls, to say all this, there's a couple of things he got wrong, like that god whispere in muhammad's ear, when it was supposedly an angel that appeard to him, and the shellfish thing, when shrimp are really cretaceous.
enjoy!!.
hey this is my first topic, post.. if you're a christian, muslim or jew - you are wrong .
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ICBehindtheCurtain
Hey guys, I found this and thought I'de share it, it's very "politically incorrect", this guy has balls, to say all this, there's a couple of things he got wrong, like that God whispere in Muhammad's ear, when it was supposedly an angel that appeard to him, and the shellfish thing, when shrimp are really cretaceous. Enjoy!!
Hey this is my first Topic, post.
If You're a Christian, Muslim or Jew - You are Wrong
.: posted Wednesday, October 26, 2005 ::: by the WebMaster ::: EmailThis! :-by Cent Uygur
We live in a twisted world, where right is wrong and wrong reigns supreme. It is a chilling fact that most of the world's leaders believe in nonsensical fairytales about the nature of reality. They believe in Gods that do not exist, and religions that could not possibly be true. We are driven to war after war, violence on top of violence to appease madmen who believe in gory mythologies.
These men are called Christians, Muslims and Jews.
Osama bin Laden is insane. He believes God whispered in the ear of Mohammed 1,400 years ago about how he should conquer Arabia. Mohammed was a pure charlatan -- and a good one at that. He makes present religious frauds like Pat Robertson look like amateurs.
He said God told him to have sex with as many of the women he met as possible. I'm sorry, I meant to say "take them as wives." God told him to kill all other tribes that stood in his way or that would not placate him with assurances of loyalty or bribes. God told him, conveniently, that everyone should follow him and never question a word he said.
He sold this bag of goods to the blithering idiots who lived in the Arabian Peninsula at the time. If that weren't shockingly stupid enough, over a billion people continue to believe the convenient lies that Mohammed told all that time ago -- to this very day.
We live in a world full of insane people. Sanity is an island battered in an ocean of frothing delusion. The people who believe in science are the minority. The people who believe in bloody fairytales are the overwhelming majority.
George W. Bush is the most powerful man alive. He is a class A imbecile. He is far less intelligent than the average Christian. But like most of the others, he believes Jesus died for his sins. That idea is so perverse and devoid of logic it should shock the conscience. Instead, it gets him elected, and earns him the reverence of a great percentage of America. America! The most advanced country in the world -- run by a bunch of villagers who still believe Santa Claus is going to save them.
There is no damn Easter Bunny. There is no Jesus waiting to return. Moses never even existed. These were all convenient lies from the men of those times to gain power. Their actions were rational -- they wanted to deceive their brethren so that they could amass power. I get their motivations. But I cannot, for the life of me, understand our motivations, thousands of years later, still following the conmen of yesteryear into our gory, bloody, violent end.
Jesus is said to have said on the cross, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" Because Jesus was insane and the God he thought would rescue him did not exist. And he died on that cross like a fool. He fancied himself the son of God and he could barely convince twelve men to follow him at a time when the world was full of superstition.
Excellent marketing by some of his followers would later rescue his botched effort. How many people saw his miracles? One? Twelve? Eighty? Why didn't he show the whole world? Not because this is some giant pop quiz by God to test us -- but because he did not perform any miracles!
Even his apostles can't agree on what miracles he supposedly carried out or when he carried them out. Or whether he returned after death or he didn't. Whether they saw him in person or just as a vision. Rational human beings shouldn't believe this kind of nonsense. Yet most of the world does.
If a man today killed his only son to show how much he loved other people, he would be considered a madman, locked in jail and earn society's contempt. Yet we think this is some sort of noble act by our Father in Heaven.
In Heaven? What, with the harps and the winged angels and the 72 virgins? My God, how stupid do you have to be to believe that?
I know most of you don't actually read your religious texts, and when you do, you assiduously try to avoid the parts that make no sense whatsoever or hide underneath the comforting grasp of your religious leaders who have concocted a bunch of circular logic (a crime to even use that word in regards to Christianity, Islam or Judaism) to shield you from the obvious folly of the written text.
So, I'm not calling you stupid if you haven't really read the material. And I know how powerful brainwashing is. We all received it when we were young and it is exceedingly difficult to break its grasp. But people dance around the issue out of politeness because they don't want to call you what you are -- ignorant.
There are a lot of people I love dearly and respect wholeheartedly who believe in religion. I hate to do this to them. But we have killed far too many people, wasted far too much time on this nonsense for us to keep going in this direction for fear of offense.
Jesus was a lunatic. God is not coming to your rescue. He hasn't come to anyone's rescue in thousands of years, including Jesus. Mohammed was a power hungry, scam artist and ruthless conqueror. Moses and Abraham were figments of the imagination of some long dead rabbi. He would probably laugh his ass off at all of you who still believe the fairytales he made up thousands of years ago. He probably wouldn't even believe it if you told him.
Did I mention Judaism? The chosen people? Come on, get off it. People walk around in clothes from 18th century Russia, thinking they have been chosen by God when they look like a bunch of jackasses. I'm tired of all the deaths because we did not want to give offense. Orthodox Jews are wrong and ridiculous.
As are the orthodox and fundamentalists of all of the religions. It says in the Bible that it is an abomination to wear clothes made of two different cloths or to eat shellfish. If you think God will hate you because you mixed wool and linen or because you ate some shrimp, you are insane.
How long are we going to dance around the 800-pound gorilla in the room? The world is run by madmen. It's not just Bush and bin Laden. It is the leader of all of the countries in the Middle East, almost all of the Americas and most of the rest of the world.
Have I offended you? That's too bad. Stop killing each other in the name of false and ridiculous Gods and I will stop ridiculing you. Trust me, your offense is much worse than mine.
Right now as you read this, there are ignorant, hateful Muslims teaching other ignorant Muslims how to put on a suicide belt. There are orthodox Jews telling other Jews how they must never leave their "holy land" no matter what the consequences are to other human beings. They assure their followers -- remember, they are not the chosen ones, we are. If we crush and oppress them, don't worry, God will excuse it, and even desires it, because He is on our side.
There are maniacal Christians who are praying for the end of time. Who are hoping that most of the world's population is wiped off the face of the Earth by their vengeful and murderous God. Whom they believe is, ironically, a loving God. Unless, of course, you make the fatal mistake of not kissing his ass and appeasing him, in which case he will slaughter you and condemn you to eternal torture. What kind of sick people believe this?
The kind who live next to you. The kind who voted for George Bush. The kind who send their religious leaders to the White House to argue against even-handedness in the Middle East because it would prevent their sick prophecy. The kind who have undue influence over how we use the greatest and most lethal army ever built by man.
If you don't want to be called ignorant or misinformed, then get informed. Learn the real nature of our universe and put aside old wives tales about resurrected Gods, omniscient prophets and a guy who could split the Red Sea but couldn't find where he's going in the desert for forty years.
It's the year 2005. Let's start acting like it.IC
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Franz' statement is outrageously unreasonable!
by Schizm ineternal life on earth?
god told the first human couple their destiny if they disobeyed.
he did not discuss their eternal future if they obeyed.
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Schizm's words so far, seem to be for the purpose of annoying us here, no real point to be made.
First of all the Genesis account is bullshit anyway, just myths reworded, second, what sin did animals commit since they get sick and die. I think that this world we live is such that everything has its cycles, we are born, grow, and eventually die, none live forever, why should man? I believe we go into another realm when we die, but that's just me, you are free to believe whatever you want.
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Wow! I am free
by watch the tower inever since i stopped going to the meetings, i feel so free and liberated!
i've been a witness my whole life up to this point and never could imagine how this could have felt!
no more guilt trips, verbal spankings and phony superficial relationships.. they try to scare you into thinking that if you dare leave jehovah's organization tm, your life will be a barren wasteland, be overcome by satan, turn into a drug addict and never find joy and meaning in your life again.
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YES INDEED, it really feels great!!!!! In celebration of my new found freedom, my family and I will be watching all the Harry Potter movies soon, since we no longer believe the nonsense that they are demonized .
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Im new
by g_cuddles in.
is there anyone here who actually support jws or is everyone disassociated?.
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Welcome g cuddles, I know you will like it here, I am currently still attending meetings sometimes, but am currently inactive, I lurked here for awhile, and recently began posting.
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"Do More"
by minimus inaren't you glad that you don't have to follow all the silly rules of the organization?
it is comforting to know that we don't have to feel guilty anymore because we just aren't doing enough.
we always fell short of a goal.
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I'm thankful for every new day I live my new life - I don't feel guilty, I don't feel like a hypocrit, I can enjoy my life the way we were created to enjoy it. ; No more working to impress some God that I didn't know. ; Ah life is so good. ; It's like when you are truly free you breathing a different kind of air. ; I've never known true true joy & freedom until I left.
Man you got me smiling - LIFE IS GOOOOOOOOD
Like Smokey said "I second that emotion", the guilt is gone, happy days are here . A few weeks ago I was with my children at my younger one's sports game (they now participate in sports, and are loving it) on a bright and sunny saturday morning and as a joke I asked "now wouldn't you rather be out on service on such a beautiful day?" my oldest said "yeah, and share the joy of having the door slammed in our faces", we laughed hard at that one! Saturday mornings are now actually productive and enjoyable. But we are still undercover at this point because of family and freinds, although with last weeks watchtower
brainwashingstudy, I don't know how much longer I can stand it, then there's the songs, my husband told me that when it's time to sing I should just go to the bathroom, because I can barely force the words out, well, let the fade continue.IC
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Has the exodus begun now?
by toby888 inanyone have any real information if the great exodus has begun?
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Hey Elijah, dude, you forgot to take your medication again, how many times does mom have to tell you that you will get dilusional if you don't take it? Now be a good little boy and take a few extra ones, and you will think happy thoughts, and forget all this prophet of Jehovah nonsense. Good night
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1st post from a former S.O!
by onesong ini'm 36 yrs.
old and was a jw for 35.i did everything from pioneer to bethel to ms to elder, school overseer ect.
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Onesong Welcome onboard, also Forsharry --- You're doing great so far onesong -- the taste of freedom is truly wonderful, it's great to decide for yourself what books you want to read, movies you want to see, who you want to date etc. with no guilt! My husband and I have been fading, now thankfully so are quite a few of my family members and close freinds---- LET THE EXODUS OUT CONTINUE!!!!!!!
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"Jehovah Unmasked!"
by sf inhttp://people.lulu.com/users/index.php?fhomepage=225208
http://www.lulu.com/content/167431
the author, nathaniel j. merritt, has been hitchhiking his way to enlightenment since he was a teen.
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I'de like to know Nate if youv'e read anything on the idea that the Sumerian god Enki later known as Ea was also the later know Yah/Yaw/YHWH that we know as Jehovah, I've been reading about this and it seems very interesting, I also want to get your book it peaked my interest. I've also read that YHWH was at one time know as a storm god that lived on a mountain, and that he had a consort, there is an ancient tablet found in the Far East that says something like "Thanks to Yaweh's Asherah (which means consort), needles to say I was very shocked at the time.
There is so much information available now at one's fingertips, this will hopefully help people open their eyes and see Religion for the farce that it is.
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MAN: to blame? GOD: benign and caring? What is the whole truth?
by Terry inalmost every watchtower publication we've ever seen begins in the garden of eden.. we are told the earth was created for man.
we are told man was given a paradise and that his disobedience introduced to the world sin and death.
man ruined the wonderful, gentle and peaceful plan of god.. that is the story we are told.
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Thank you for responding Terry, I really thought you were atheist, I guess I am more of a Deist but do lean on the agnostic side at times, if God or whoever it is would speak to everyone from heaven, this would all be settled, that in itself makes me wonder, why if he has all this power does he not communicate with us? until he does I think more and more people are going to join our ranks. What I find interesting is that we were taught that people that left the "Truth" became evil, because Jehovah removed his spirit from them and Satan would then take over, they would basically lead a horrible life, become immoral, a real monster, what CRAP!!!! I now see the reality, people that leave the cult, are generally intelligent, freethinking and overall good people.
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