I remember posting on jw-connect. I'd always get a ton of messages from brothers in Africa. What's that about?
Ingenuous
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MAY I BE A HANDKERCHIEF TO OTHERS
by Ms. Whip inok, i was bored and reading posts and started to google as i normally do when my eyes glaze over.
i came accross jw-connect!
(which probably has been posted about many times on jwd).
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So I mailed out letters today...
by coolhandluke inletters to my family went out today.
i have been apprehensive to put them in the mail.
i suck it up mostly out of curiosity for their being read.
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Ingenuous
Dams has it right - being as calm and open and validating as honestly possible. Presenting proof when requested without opinion/personal analysis, then giving them the dignity the Org doesn't - trusting their hearts and intelligence to lead them where they need to be. (Which may not be exactly where you want them to be for the moment - but when you throw a handful of "seed" out there, you never know what, when, or where it will take root.) Letting them try to defend their worldview is part of the process - at least it was for me. As I heard my own shallow arguments and tried unsuccessfully to live with them, the work of awakening began.There's an article on freeminds.org, " How I helped my family leave the WT" with a really nice guide to technique. Hang in!
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Is this love? It feels like the flu...
by Ingenuous infor anyone who may have noted my happy news of about a week ago, the bubble burst after roughly 48 hours.
after the 90% successful "let's agree to act like intelligent adults and respect the other's conscience" talk with my dad, he wrote a letter and renegged on everything.
i am once again a hard-headed, ungrateful apostate.. i'm as tired of writing about the situation as you probably are reading about it, so i won't go into too many details.
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For anyone who may have noted my happy news of about a week ago, the bubble burst after roughly 48 hours. After the 90% successful "let's agree to act like intelligent adults and respect the other's conscience" talk with my Dad, he wrote a letter and renegged on everything. I am once again a hard-headed, ungrateful apostate.
I'm as tired of writing about the situation as you probably are reading about it, so I won't go into too many details. The letter was the equivalent of psychological flailing. A few wonderfully ridiculous parts included the assertion that "there is no one in this family you can point to who is ostracized because they are not practicing Jehovah's Witness" - referring to an aunt and uncle who are "inactive" JWs because of a personality conflict and an aunt and uncle who were never baptised. Technically, it's true - no one in this family will be ostracized for not being practicing JWs until it happens to me. He asserted that I couldn't possibly have come up with the objections to the Org that I have on my own because he's seen the same arguments in apostate books and sites - things I never saw until after my personal studies. (I guess I'm supposed to assume that he is "strong enough" to read such things.) There were also the choice statements: "You refer to the organization as one that teaches 'untruth in the name of God.' That is apostasy" and "No matter how right you are the numbers will win."
I'll spare you the rest. The letter left me feeling physically ill: nauseous, achy, too hot then too cold. It felt like the flu.
What really freaked me out is that he came over while I was at work and left the letter on my computer. I can't help but feel he was snooping around looking for something "incriminating". He made it clear he's already spoken to the elders, but they apparently don't care enough to do anything. I'm sure if they do anything, it'll be because he's prodded them.
Today, though, I'm feeling good. I made it clear to myself and to God today that I am no longer in any way a JW or in support of that organization. And it was enough - admitting I'm standing on my own, responsible for my choices and the consequences. I'm no longer hiding behind the F&DS or any other reps of the Org.
I will not play their game and contact them. I feel it would compromise my dignity to play by their rules, to write them a letter and ask to be left alone, followed by having to give a dozen of my family members an explanation for my actions along with reason not to talk to me. (I'm sure my Dad would insist that I be the one to tell them they can't talk to me or show me any affection and deal with the flack. He would no doubt see it as "loving discipline.") I'm finally settled with my relationship with God being no one's business. I sat and talked to my Mom today and felt totally at ease - I owe no one an explanation or justification for my actions. And I'm going to enjoy her company for as long as the elders don't care enough to say anything to me. I will not let my Dad bait me anymore - the topic is not up for discussion. He's going to have to get me thrown out if he wants to take my family from me.
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My list of 32 questions-Part B
by Goldminer in1.do we approach god through christ(jn 14:6)or through his organization?
2.if the "faithful and discreet slave" was put in place in 33 c.e.
to disperse the "proper food at the proper time" ,thrn who,or where was the "faithful and discreet slave" from 100 c.e.
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FWIW - The elders might feel you're trying to confuse them if you skip around to different subjects and use this to duck the discussion. If you have time to waste, you might want to group some questions together like you did for #5: 1 & 7 ~ 2 thru 4 & 12 ~ 5, 15, 6, 14 & 8 ~ 10 & 13 ~ 9, 11, 16
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What are JW's going to do with their "outdated" Rev book and Dan proph book
by booker-t ini was just wondering what is going to happen when the leaders at wt headquaters see that the revelation grand climax book and the pay attention to daniel's prophecies book all prove false.
are they going to rewrite both books and call it "new light" and somehow say that they were wrong about the beast of revelation being the un and now the un will be considered holy?
are jw's going to have to praise the un as from jehovah and jesus?
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Got a call from an Elder last night.
by Es inwas about 8:30 last night and the phone rang....it was an elder from my old congo he wanted to come over and i said "why" and he goes we want to know what we can do to help you spiritually.
in which i replied "things havnt changed for me i still feel the same way, there are things i dont believe in and never will and im not going to be one of those hypocrites sitting there pretending i believe,.
a bit of background info i sent my d\a letter off prob bout 7 months ago now, they just disregarded it thinking i was doing it to get back at my dad!.so he asked me last night after 7 months if i wanted them to go through with the d\a letter...i was like wtf.
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car accident
by Cygnus ini lost control of my 1976 buick and smashed into a guardrail.
the car is totalled, with my arms and hands as they are i shouldn't have been driving anyway.
had head injuries... yeah just add to my existing head probelms.
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What does a JW have to do, to be SURE he will be saved at Armageddon?
by JH in.
write down everything a jw must do in order to be saved at armageddon.
don't leave out anything.. and maybe you can add things he musn't do either..
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Attend 5 meetings a week, without fail.
Spend at least 30 minutes per meeting in preparation
Spend enough time on the Ministry School parts so that, at least occassionally, you can be a last-minute substitute
Raise your hand every time a question is asked during an audience participation part - even if you know they won't call on you again, it's the only proper way to "support" the speaker - and if you've studied you should have all the answers anyway.
Read the "Daily Text" every morning as a family
Read the article the "Text" is based on and discuss it, as a family
Do your Bible reading for the meetings
Do your personal Bible reading
Do your personal study
Prepare for your family study
Spend at least an hour participating in the family study
Review any books and brochures that are "special offers" for this month
Read the Watchtower and Awake! magazines you'll be placing next week
Read a portion of any new releases from the last assembly so that you're done by the next assembly
At least meet the national average for number of hours per month in service
Support the "magazine work" every Saturday and go out at least 1 Sunday a month
Place a respectable amount of publications - at least enough that you don't have any "extras" sitting around at the end of the month (aside from a couple Watchtowers you might save for those that need one on Sunday)
Have a regular number of return visits
Create a magazine route
Conduct at least one study during the year
Attend your meetings and get in "service" time during all your vacations
Put something into all the contribution boxes (WWW, local hall, building fund) at least monthly - make sure it's not out of your "surplus", a la the widow's mite
Continue this for a lifetime and you, too, will "probably be concealed" during Armageddon!
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Hells Kitchen ... in the USA
by Simon in.
omg - i really don't think they were probably quite prepared for gordon ramsey!.
anyone else watching it?
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Medical Emergency!!
by OUTLAW inok guy`s,this is my last post for a while.so i`m going to do a topic to gross you all out..lol!..what is the worst medical emergency you`ve had,that you`ve had to take care of yourselves?..i`ve had many.as i sometimes live in the "canadian wilderness",i have to be my own docter.lately i cut my hand badly,could have used about 8 stitch`s.i closed the wound up myself.then i broke a tooth,what was left had to be pulled.so i pulled it..friggin blood everywhere,and a nice chunk of flesh on the tooth i just pulled.lol!...take care of yourselves jw.com..i`m going to miss you,but i`ll be back..now post something really gross..lol!
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Ingenuous
Whew! I think you've got most of us beat, Outlaw. I cut my hand open trying to open a bottle of nailpolish for my Mom - the cap was stuck and the bottle broke while I was trying to open it. The cut was nasty and I had to get one of those kits from the drugstore that you use instead of stitches, but my hand was a very pretty color!