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  Obituaries

  by truthlover123 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a letter was read this week from the platform stating that publishers should not scour the obituaries and respond to the websites for condolences messaging.

  apparently, it is not being taken too well by family and friends and the pubs are asked to refrain from sending a message if they are not friends or family of the deceased.. i recall one sister used to visit grave yard sites and if she saw individuals there, went over and "consoled" them by offering the tract on death and your loved ones.

  i cannot even think of how i would have received her, being in my space and thinking she could do that.. apparently they have graduated by reading the obits..

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  This is such a tactless thing to do. The fact that some R&F Witnesses have to be told not to do it just shows how brainless so many Witnesses are.
  
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  HOW MUCH OF THIS IS BELIEVABLE

  by Hairtrigger in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/ossuary-james-0012181.

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  OK, I've got to comment on this one. First, whoever is responsible for the link in the OP (perhaps the entire site?) is a Witness. Quotations from the Bible have "Jehovah" in the NT and "exercise faith," a unique Freddie Franz/NWT rendering.

  Second, there was an interesting lawsuit in Israel regarding this artifact. The best summary of it, with implications as to the ossuary's authenticity, is in a 21-page appendix in Pieter van der Horst's 2015 book Saxa judaica loquunter: Lessons from Early Jewish Inscriptions (Brill). The Latin in the title means "Jewish stones speak." Van der Horst is a top-notch Dutch scholar who has no interest in biblical faith or apologetics. The value of his contribution is in exposing how, as revealed through the Israeli court case, many of the claims of inauthenticity "were inspired by the fear of being misrepresented as ‘uncritical’ by colleagues” (p. 87). In other words, bona fide scholars jumped on the bandwagon of calling the artifact a fake because they were afraid of being labeled apologetic believers. Nowhere does van der Horst argue for the ossuary’s authenticity, but he certainly does contend for a truly unprejudiced investigation of it.
  
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  READ: Watchtower's SCOTUS petition

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  on june 25, 2019 watchtower ny filed petition for a writ of certiorari in the u.s. supreme court.

  the society asks to reconsider a $4 million judgment against it in a california child abuse case.

  docket: https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/19-40.html .

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  We all know that the GB has used their legal dept to file appeals, if for no other reason, just to stave off payments and to draw out legal decisions. Could that be the main factor at work in their filing here? That is, they really do not hope to win. They are just putting off payments?
  
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  2019 International Convention in Atlanta, Georgia, USA

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i watched this convention video and do not recognize this religion any longer.

  there are attendants singing and dancing in grass fields.

  later, you see sisters holding up this silly sign that makes me laugh.

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  What a lack of depth, of any sort. Just love and wait...

  Duhhhh.
  
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  2019-New Files Just Arrived!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  2019 application for prison minister.

  https://docdro.id/dxusjmu.

  2019 brd visitor center newsletter.

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  "Watchtower felt that it was not theocratic for field service, and brought too much attention to a female." Thank you, Petra!

  I remember one young couple, newlyweds, who moved into our cong and the sister had long beautiful hair. I was a newbie and could not understand the flack she got about it. It was THE talk of the cong. I kept thinking, "Isn't this mean to her? Aren't there more important things to be concerned with?"

  Looking back on it now, I guess it's the rough equivalent to a brother with a beard, another crazy anti-fetish in Witnessland.
  
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  INSANE last days speculation in 10/2019 WT

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the october 2019 study edition, speaking of the last days after the governments destroy all religion except jws:.

  at some point, the people whose re-ligions were destroyed may resent thefact that jehovah’s witnesses keep prac-ticing their religion.

  we can only imag-ine the uproar that this might create, in-cluding on social media.

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  The key words from the article:

  "We can only imagine..."

  That says it all!
  
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  NBA Player Retires to Serve as Jehovah's Witness

  by 720Reddog in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27078092/collison-retires-nba-31-focus-faith .

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  As DNCall and sparky1 said, Dave Meyers became a Witness. Note that he was preceded by Elmore Smith. That makes at least 3 ex-NBA players who converted. In 1985 Meyers' story appeared in the Awake! magazine:
  

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101985368
  

  Meyers' death in 2015:

  https://exnba.com/articles-news/ex-nba-star-who-shocked-world-in-1980-dead/
  

  Update on Elmore Smith (2017):

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJRaZ7GcTUc
  

  It's interesting that, at least in this short YouTube blurb, he never mentions being a Witness. Perhaps he just didn't bring it up, or did and that didn't make it into the video. He still lives in Cleveland since his speech has Cavalier logos in the background. More on his life in wiki, but no mention of JWs:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmore_Smith
  

  And he runs a Bar-B-Q sauce business and restaurant in Cleveland:

  https://www.elmoresmithbbqsauce.com/

  https://restaurantguru.com/Elmore-Smiths-Smokehouse-Cleveland
  

  Does anyone know if he is still a Witness?

  There was also the case of NFL player Jason Worilds, a defensive outside linebacker with the Pittsburgh Steelers who packed it up in 2015 in order to devote more time to JWs, giving up at least $15 million.
  

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/181700002/nfl-player-quits-career-become-idiot
  
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  The Hell of the POMI!

  by The Bethelite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i called a jehovah's witness friend of mine a couple weeks ago, yes i still consider him a friend though he would not say the same of me.

  i've known him for almost 40 years.

  our families went on many vacations together including my only trip back to bethel in 1996. this trip was made with 40 other "brothers and sisters.

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  If I remember correctly, prominent Witness Hayden Covington was DFed for drunkenness. I think he came back and died in, though disgraced.
  
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  16.000 JWs rebel against Bethel and GB

  by Edison Trent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some hot news:.

  last weekend was a convention in frankfurt, germany and 11 other locations.

  all were connected to the international convention in berlin.. in sum about 94.000 attended.

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  If we have been coming to this forum regularly, we've seen various Witnesses making these grass-roots music vids on their own outside of the convention program proper. It was just a matter of time until this enthusiasm spilled over into the official program. The inept eight at Warwick will clamp down, but probably at least somewhat gently. In a way, they are partially responsible for this, by their letting the informal stuff take root and grow, and by their lowering the quality of the official music as they have—thank David Splane!
  

  "Must have been the best convention ever...." tiki, love it!
  
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  Satan Hurled Out in 1914 - Will They Say It Was Never Taught?

  by Anna Marina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wbts rewrites/carefully edits their own history.

  since 2005, i have been through a lot with with wbts.

  recently i came across a suggestions that they will start denying that they ever said satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914.. in my experience, it is one doctrine many ordinary members are clear about - you ask them what supposedly took place in 1914 and they'll say, "satan was hurled out of heaven, therefore world war i started.".

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  The "about" thing is an interesting find. The publications so rarely discuss doctrine any more. I get the impression that the rest of the GB let Splane go on with his conjectures and ravings privately, but they seem reluctant to okay his ideas in print. Whatever the case there, doctrine just isn't important any more. It's all about electronic glitz and presentation, not content. The assemblies/conventions/meetings focus on videos and the dramas, not teachings and the interpretation of the Bible. It's all part of that new look that is so foreign to many at this forum.