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  Museums growing at the branches especially Warwick

  by benny in

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  i am not sure if this has been discussed but last night mid week meeting about organisational accomplishments really got my goat as the example of the temple was used.

  people contributed to the building of the jewish temple and now the museum and bethel in warwick.

  this supposed .be evidence of god s guidance.

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  I cannot help but think that the huge Museum of the Bible in Washington DC, the product of the multi-millionaire and Evangelical/Fundamentalist Green family (who owns the successful Hobby Lobby chain), has had some role to play in the GB's (and especially Mark Sanderson's) working up some "competition" to it. Likely the GB feel they are the real "defenders of doctrine" (isn't that what Jackson told the ARC?) and therefore must "right the ship" when it comes to Bible museums.
  
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  GB wifes

  by asp59 in

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  with the talks abouth tight pants in men and now samuel herd abouth fat women are better then fit .

  this are topics women talk abouth.

  you think its the gb wifes running the show now?.

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  Ding,

  "I hope the more the GB make videos, the more JWs will see just how out of touch with reality they really are."

  Unfortunately, few will since the belief that these men speak for God trumps any sense of logic. More likely the sisters will now want to put on the pounds so they can follow God's direction!
  
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  3-File Requests: Destroy Notes BOE--Publications For Discard--Where Are The Nine!

  by Atlantis in

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  2019-08-28 destroy notes.. https://docdro.id/ojsdss2.

  2012--2018 publications approved for discard.

  https://docdro.id/llottt0.

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  DO WHAT WE SAY. WE ARE IN CONTROL!

  Thx, as always, Atlantis.
  
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  New World Translation - Variants

  by Wonderment in

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  new world translation - variantstentative translations below.

  you native language experts can probably do better than me.

  if so, help yourself.. matthew 24.3, english edition: “what will be the sign of... the conclusion of the system of things?”french, 1987: “quel sera le signe de… la conclusion du système de choses” (...the system of things)french revised: “quel sera le signe de… la période finale du monde?” (…the final period of the world)german revised: “und den abschluss des weltsystems erkennen?” (the conclusion of the world system)spanish revised: “qué señal habrá... de la conclusión del sistema?” (…conclusion of the system)matthew 24.45, "the faithful and discreet slave":italian revised: “lo schiavo fedele e saggio” = “the faithful and wise slave”portuguese revised: “o escravo fiel e prudente” = “the faithful and prudent slave”spanish revised, “el esclavo fiel y prudente” = “the faithful and prudent slave”matthew 25.46,(english edition), “cutting-off” contrasted with “everlasting life” in the same verse.

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  Yes, SBF and Earnest, and most of those 558 differences are quite minor. There are not many places where in the rev. NWT where the "committee," based on more recent editions of the Greek text, namely NA and UBS, made a change from the old NWT editions. However, one such is at Eph. 1:15.

  "Since I have heard of the faith you have in the Lord Jesus and toward all the holy ones," older NWT editions done by Fred Franz.
  

  "Since I have heard of the faith you have in the Lord Jesus and the love that you demonstrate toward all the holy ones," rev. NWT.

  The change in bold print is based on the Greek text in NA/UBS. This in turn is based not on any newly discovered manuscripts. In fact, the only manuscript find since the time of WH that bears on this passage is P46 which reinforces the text WH provide, what Fred Franz went with when he produced those earlier NWT editions, and not what UBS/NA read. Rather what has happened is that textual critics (scholars who try to establish what was originally written) have largely changed their thinking here and have come to believe that the words "the love" accidentally dropped out as the text was transmitted down through time. It is not what the earliest sources read. The words in the NWT "that you demonstrate" are not in the Greek but were added for clarity. Overall, what those who are responsible for the rev. NWT often did was look at other modern English translations, often conservative Protestant ones, and imitate them. The NIV, HCSB, ESV, have "your love" here. So do the NRSV and the 2017 NT translation by David Bentley Hart. The NEB/REB has "the love you bear." All these renderings are because the scholars translating them relied on the NA/UBS Greek text, not because of new manuscripts being found.

  Two further things. First, WH were well aware of the textual problem here. They discuss it in vol. 2, pages 124-5. Second, what the manuscripts read is only one consideration of textual criticism. It's called the external evidence. The other area is called the internal evidence, and this includes things like scribal habits, textual transmission and its history, the influence of the church on the text, and so on. WH were aware of both components of textual criticism, but the field has been giving more emphasis to the internal evidence since the time of WH. Hence the change of readings in passages like this. It seems very unlikely that those responsible for the rev. NWT are even aware of details like this. They are just adopting, in certain passages that do not affect their key doctrines, what they see in other modern translations.
  
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  I genuinely burst out laughing.................

  by The Fall Guy in

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  ...when i read a reply to an email which i sent to a devout couple of jw's, showing the luxurious accommodation which "vows of poverty" jw's have been living in.. https://ibsaproperty.com.

  the reply began by apologising for their "bad french.

  " brilliant!

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  Yes, blondie, I know all that. But there is sometimes a discrepancy between the ideal/legal and the real. That's what we have here.
  
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  CHILD MOLESTATION: How have they been able to hide it for so long?

  by Zoos in

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  2. scandals

  i was in the organization until 2011. .

  i n-e-v-e-r heard of this problem.

  not even a whisper.

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  Thanks, blondie. I knew of the policy regarding criminal law when I was in during the 70s and 80s. I knew one bro who was ex-Mafia and another who was ex-gang member. Both had committed serious crime before conversion but did serve as elders (a little different from what that letter said). The thinking was that since Jehovah had forgiven them, who is the organization to question Jehovah's mercy?
  

  Once that practice was in place, it is easy to see that when the child abuse problem came along, the same "don't tell" policy was adopted. Then when the "no reproach on Jehovah's name" dynamic is factored in, voila, we see the reasons behind the policy that has got them in such hot water now.
  
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  I genuinely burst out laughing.................

  by The Fall Guy in

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  ...when i read a reply to an email which i sent to a devout couple of jw's, showing the luxurious accommodation which "vows of poverty" jw's have been living in.. https://ibsaproperty.com.

  the reply began by apologising for their "bad french.

  " brilliant!

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  This is precious—"vow of poverty" indeed!

  
  
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  Where now for the UK Society Big Wigs?

  by dozy in

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  i see top uk jw lawyer richard cook is finally having to move out of his jw "grace & favour" house , currently for sale for a cool £2.75 million.

  https://solicitors.guru/office/3466-richard-cook-solicitors/.

  https://ibsaproperty.com/houses/lowood-house/.

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  Zeb, I'm not sure but I think it is Ministerial Training School (?). No doubt a major indoctrination session of loyalty to the organization. Val2020: It's difficult to decipher who the "he" and "him" are in your comments. Does your somebody have the dirt on Cook or vice versa?
  
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  Where now for the UK Society Big Wigs?

  by dozy in

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  i see top uk jw lawyer richard cook is finally having to move out of his jw "grace & favour" house , currently for sale for a cool £2.75 million.

  https://solicitors.guru/office/3466-richard-cook-solicitors/.

  https://ibsaproperty.com/houses/lowood-house/.

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  Does anyone else find this particularly brash/impudent/disingenuous/nauseating?

  'Richard Cook, solicitor for the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Britain, said: "We are disappointed with the decision, particularly since the court accepted expert evidence that Jehovah's Witnesses in the late 1980s and early 1990s were ahead of their time in addressing the issue of child sexual abuse.
  "For decades we have warned congregants and parents of the dangers of child abuse and have published information to help parents safeguard their children. We will continue to do so."'

  "Ahead of their time ... in addressing the issue of child sexual abuse"? Are you kidding? "Theocratic strategy" to be sure!
  
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  Article: Window for Child Victims Act sex-abuse lawsuits opens Wednesday: What it means

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. child-abuse

  https://www.silive.com/news/2019/08/window-for-child-victims-act-sex-abuse-lawsuits-opens-wednesday-what-it-means.html on friday, attorney irwin zalkin held a news conference in manhattan announcing that two alleged victims, heather steele and michael ewing, will file lawsuits in state supreme court in brooklyn on wednesday.

  the lawsuits will name as defendants eight members of the governing body of the jehovah’s witnesses (jws).

  now located in tuxedo park, n.y., the jws world headquarters occupied a building with a large watchtower sign in brooklyn.

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  So is the heat on them in a new way?