Supposedly figuring out biblical prophecy ahead of time? YAWN.
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3 Changes The Watchtower Made on Babylon The Great in the Last 6 Months
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/vpws6ncqpla?si=dqnf7-hupfr4pdta.
for decades, jehovah’s witnesses have been banging on about babylon the great—the so-called world empire of false religion—being on the brink of collapse.
any day now, they assured us, churches would empty out, priests would be left twiddling their thumbs, and humanity would collectively bin organised religion.
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What the new JW light position really is 👍
by ElderBerry ini’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.
as my fellow elders are.
we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.
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ElderBerry, do any of your fellow elders know you are PIMA?
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WA bill mandating clergy report abuse clears Senate floor
by blondie inhttps://columbiabasinherald.com/news/2025/mar/24/wa-bill-mandating-clergy-report-abuse-clears-senate-floor/ .
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Religious groups, not just JWs, but Catholics, Orthodox Jews, Mormons, and various Protestant ones, would soon challenge such a new law, if the bill passes, on the basis of the long-established clergy-penitent privilege. This is what happened in Montana and why the WTS won. State legislatures and other law-making bodies can pass all the laws they want, but once they're challenged in court, it's up to the courts to decide how the legal conflict between two opposing principles would be handled.
The only way all this can be ultimately settled in the USA is for SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United States) to take up the matter. Given the current make up of SCOTUS, full of conservatives as it is, such a change from the status quo does not look promising. From all indications they would simply declare the Washington law invalid upon the basis of the clergy-penitent privilege enshrined in federal jurisprudence.
I've made this point before in similar threads. You can get all excited about these gestures politicians make to please their constituents, but it's the courts that matter. There is a much better chance of change on this issue in Westernized countries outside of the USA.
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The Share of Religious Americans will continue to decline- New York Times. Why? New Pew Study
by Balaamsass2 inlocally, in northern california i have seen/heard a drop in jw and mainstream church attendance especially in person attendance.
(exception: a new creepy local new-age charismatic/pentecostal group: "bethel church" 11,000 and growing mega church(kundalini yoga/sex combined with prosperity gospel, trumpism, guns, rock music, dancing, glitter, speaking in tongues, and faith healing).. for me this paragraph sums it up regarding jehovah's witnesses: " ...smith described organized religion to me as having become a “polluted” idea in the american mainstream, because of the publicity around sex abuse scandals and financial malfeasance in many different faiths in the ’80s and ’90s as millennials came of age.
“the scandals violated most of the virtues believed to make religion good,” smith wrote.
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Vidiot:
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Yeah, they finally (re)discovered a “version” of Christianity that lets them be assholes again.
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What's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives?
by Rattigan350 inwhat's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives on the jan 2025 w that is being studied today?.
is there a point to that?.
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There is a “bigger play” at work here.
the article from this weekend, after a quick skim, was designed to negate those two ‘policies’ with weasel language about respecting you wife and not demeaning her sexually etc etc.
net net, “official” policy is that any sex is good sex, they stay out of it, should anyone ask. Unofficially, but what will be referenced by all elders, is the article fromthis past weekend where they will refer to demeaning sex and tie that to oral and anal.
Justaguy, you seem to have hit the nail on the head.
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What the new JW light position really is 👍
by ElderBerry ini’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.
as my fellow elders are.
we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.
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Wow, what a testimony! Thanks for the share. Quite revealing.
That said, I must ask something based on this:
You could turn up to any meeting with zero preparation and give any item. It’s all done for you there is no thinking required anymore.
Is this supposed to be some kind of virtue? How does that jibe with the advice at Heb. 5:14?
"Solid food belongs to mature people, those who have .. have had their perceptive powers trained to distinguish right from wrong." The implication here seems to mean individual thinking, not some "parrot what we've laid out here."
Then there are all those proverbs that encourage one to seek out wisdom personally, obviously in the context of studying, and Ezra's example of studying the Law himself in order to teach his fellow Jews? (7:10)
I'm not finding fault with you. Rather I'm hoping to get you question how you personally are measuring up—or not—to the scriptural requirements of your position. The GB and their ever-obedient underlings/devotees have designed a system of exterior efficiency. Is this all you want, "It’s all done for you; there is no thinking required anymore"?
Is that what Jehovah wants, brainless robots/parrots?
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The Share of Religious Americans will continue to decline- New York Times. Why? New Pew Study
by Balaamsass2 inlocally, in northern california i have seen/heard a drop in jw and mainstream church attendance especially in person attendance.
(exception: a new creepy local new-age charismatic/pentecostal group: "bethel church" 11,000 and growing mega church(kundalini yoga/sex combined with prosperity gospel, trumpism, guns, rock music, dancing, glitter, speaking in tongues, and faith healing).. for me this paragraph sums it up regarding jehovah's witnesses: " ...smith described organized religion to me as having become a “polluted” idea in the american mainstream, because of the publicity around sex abuse scandals and financial malfeasance in many different faiths in the ’80s and ’90s as millennials came of age.
“the scandals violated most of the virtues believed to make religion good,” smith wrote.
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BA2, thx for the PEW study link. Interesting, given how the decline of religion in almost all areas of American subculture, liberal/conservative, Christian/Jewish, Protestant/Catholic has been going on for decades now. If it has indeed been leveling off, that's a significant change.
The one place it has been increasing is in the extreme right wing of evangelical Protestants, Trump supporters and all.
RG, that's an important observation re: Islam. I realize you're speaking of those native lands. I wonder if that's true among Moslem immigrants to the USA, especially the first-generation born-ins whose parents immigrated. Do they have the same fervor for Islam that their parents have, or are they becoming secularized like the young native-born American Jews, Protestants, and Catholics are? I remember having a young doctor not long back whose parents immigrated from the Middle East. He had a typical Arab last name, El- or Ab- something that was definitely Arabic. I asked him once about something about Arabic. He looked at me blankly and said, "I don't know about that stuff" with a degree of disdain. He wound up marrying an attractive blonde American woman. Their kids surely won't be raised Moslems!
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Oral and Anal Sex flip flop? March 2025 Announcements and Reminders
by ukpimo injust in.
a jaw dropping announcements and reminders for elders this month.
how can you serve as an elder and believe this organization is spirit directed after reading this letter?.
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Since generally speaking amarried couple would not discuss with others this intimate aspect of marriage,
Are you serious? Is the GB so out of touch with the R&F that they don't see this subject as one that young Witnesses who are dating would WANT to discuss before marriage? That gossipy type sisters will want to discuss among themselves?
They really are in their own world...
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JW Lawyer in Norway uses "theocratic warfare" to conceal the org's controlling language!
by BoogerMan inin the org's vocabulary, the term "independent thinking" is applied pejoratively to any jw who thinks & reasons for themselves.
the org's lawyer knew exactly what he was doing in court when he voiced his carefully prepared words:.
"watchtowers lawyer anders ryssdal compares jehovah’s witnesses’ baptism to the norwegian state church’s confirmation of 15-year-olds, arguing that their baptism is no different.
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"their baptism is no different"—right! Doubtless, they too recognize that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses in Warwick, NY is God's sole spokesman on earth.
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Announcement of Elijah's Coming
by ElijahisMe init is with profound humility and reverence that i share a message of great significance.
in the year 2001, my son and i witnessed the birth of the kingdom of god, experiencing spiritual battles that affirm our divine calling.
as prophesied in the scriptures, my son is the elijah to come, the forerunner to jesus' second coming.. living in the wilderness by his own choosing, my son embodies the spirit and mission of elijah, preparing the way for the lord.
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How long have you been psychotic?