been doing some research on this.. back in ctr's day the feet of clay and iron symbolized (i think) the ten kingdoms: http://www.bible.ca/pre-miller-1843-ellen-white.gif.
by 1958 they believed what they do now, that it's the anglo american dual world power: http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/docs/1958_your_will_be_done_on_earth.pdf (pdf page 126).. but does anyone know what year the wbts started believing that the feet of clay and iron symbolized the anglo american dual world power?.
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Thanks Glander, 1009 and Farkel.
It was for later use with JW's, that the WT never correctly interprets prophecy. The Kingdom Is At Hand quote does it perfectly. It's all very well to say that you're Gods true channel of communication but when you get stuff wrong constantly and your prophetic understanding is based on how history pans out then it means diddly squat.
Cheers for that.
if anyone has any unwanted jw books or brochures let me know.
not really in a position to buy them from you but i could cover postage maybe?
my jw friend says she'll get me copies of things but never does.. apologies if here was the wrong forum place for this post.. .
Quite a few are available as PDF's Rob. Search through these and then search online for a PDF:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Watch_Tower_Society_publications
been doing some research on this.. back in ctr's day the feet of clay and iron symbolized (i think) the ten kingdoms: http://www.bible.ca/pre-miller-1843-ellen-white.gif.
by 1958 they believed what they do now, that it's the anglo american dual world power: http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/docs/1958_your_will_be_done_on_earth.pdf (pdf page 126).. but does anyone know what year the wbts started believing that the feet of clay and iron symbolized the anglo american dual world power?.
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Been doing some research on this.
Back in CTR's day the feet of clay and iron symbolized (I think) the Ten Kingdoms: http://www.bible.ca/pre-miller-1843-ellen-white.gif
By 1958 they believed what they do now, that it's the Anglo American dual world power: http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/docs/1958_Your_Will_Be_Done_On_Earth.pdf (PDF page 126).
But does anyone know what year the WBTS started believing that the feet of clay and iron symbolized the Anglo American dual world power?
today is a strange day.. i have been out of the borg for a while now.
some years have passed and i thoroughly enjoy the freedom, not having to bend my mind and rape my soul to force myself to do and say things that i don't feel or believe.
i started my own business, got a wonderful girlfriend and made some friends (that are not monsters like the wt$ likes to portray others).. my parents, siblings, brothers-in-law, cousins, aunts, uncles, ex-wife, "friends" and my daughter, have cut their contact to me.
BP - have sent you a PM.
the following is part of an email from a retired district overseer in the states.
(source private).
"the new bible will be released at the agm and i understand only two versions will be printed from now on.
I wonder if they'll get all modern and release a version of this new translation as an App.
It makes sense. If they can release a version that will be written in simpler english that can be downloaded from an App store, which people could be encouraged to download, then that could save them a heap of cash.
But as other have said, I await all the comments (like from my mother) that this shows how close the end is, etc. etc.
this is my first post after deciding to finally open an account here after months of 'lurking'.. a couple of issues i want to address-.
i have issues with people who go from being a witness to losing all faith in god or the bible which seems to be the case with some members of this site.
i just don't think you can let any religion change how you view god or the bible.. second-i don't feel the gb are bad people, i think most witnesses including them are misguided by something that has been drilled into their heads since they were little and are actually sincere people.
Second-I don't feel the GB are bad people, I think most witnesses including them are misguided by something that has been drilled into their heads since they were little and are actually sincere people.
I understand your point of view I really do. As others have said they are captives of a concept. I certainly can't say for sure whether the current GB know the truth about some of their teachings, but in the 60s and 70s the reality of 607BCE and the destruction of Jerusalem was making VERY clear to then GB. 607BCE is of course critical as it underpins so many of JW's beliefs. When the kingdom begins to rule, Satans expulsion from heaven, the last days beginning, the resurrection of the apostles, the appointment of the F&DS...
They had an opportunity to deal with a difficult problem. That they had been, for decades, preaching and teaching something as true but was actually false. Did they grasp the nettle? No.
That's why I can't believe this is Gods organization. They know what they teach is as fact is false. They may well justify in their hearts by saying evidence might come to light later on, but that's false reasoning as 539BCE comes from the same evidence as 586/7BCE. So as Deut 18:21 says...
And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.’
i was speaking with my aunt recently.
she and her husband have been in brooklyn bethel since 1981 i believe, soon after ray franz left.
i havent talked to her in quite some time, since ive become inactive actually.
I've looked at the site Gopher listed.
In 1976 there was a talk end with elders discussing how shepherding can be preaching work...(surely not!)
And in 1979 there was this talk: http://www.centralprint.net/jwtalks/DC/1979%20Drama%20-%20The%20Need%20of%20the%20Fatherless%20Boy%20-%20Can%20You%20Help%20Him.mp3
It's focuses on compassion and being understanding. And doesn't bang on about the ministry. (But the wobbly music and hissy soundtrack don't help either).
Although the theme of taking interest in the fatherless boy may have given some other ideas...
But couldn't find one with like the one gbrn's aunty said.
Neither sound much like the modern day 'DO MORE' dramas. More compassion. The Ray Franz influence?
i've been reading coc and rf highlights that luke 21:28 says: "but as these things start to occur, raise yourselves erect and lift your heads up, because your deliverance is getting near.".
i'm thinking on how no one who saw the start of these things is alive from 1914. as a comparison point, does anyone know when the wt suggests the last days started in the first century?.
was it when jesus said the above?.
Thanks Bobcat.
Appreciate your help on that.
i've been reading coc and rf highlights that luke 21:28 says: "but as these things start to occur, raise yourselves erect and lift your heads up, because your deliverance is getting near.".
i'm thinking on how no one who saw the start of these things is alive from 1914. as a comparison point, does anyone know when the wt suggests the last days started in the first century?.
was it when jesus said the above?.
I've been reading CoC and RF highlights that Luke 21:28 says: " But as these things start to occur, raise yourselves erect and lift YOUR heads up, because YOUR deliverance is getting near."
I'm thinking on how no one who saw the start of these things is alive from 1914. As a comparison point, does anyone know when the WT suggests the Last Days started in the first century?
Was it when Jesus said the above?
Or in 66BCE?
Or don't they speculate as such?
this is the main series playlist:.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.
this is the accompanying video appendix:.
One of the most interesting things I've discovered of late is how the House of Egibi records confirm the reign of the Babylonian Kings.
Thus helping again to shoot down 607.
Oddly, and I can't think why this is, the 2011 WT made no mention of these incredibly important line of evidence.
Scholar - what are your thoughts on the House of Egibi and why this was left out of the 2011 WT?
