I agree... don't be mad at the Bible. Jehovah's Witnesses don't even use a real translation of the Bible. They have messed up so much from there, changed so many things to make it suit their purposes... whether you consider it the Word of God, or not, they changed what the original Scriptures said in so many ways... so you're right, whoever said it up there, Jehovah's Witnesses don't have much to do with the Bible at all...
kristyann
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People who are mad at jw's. Should be mad at the bible?
by What_is_ur_point inthe bible is a serious book.. and the bible is a set of instructions set before mankind.
i believe being disfellowshipped the second time here makes me feel upset.
it would make anyone hurt frustrated or mad.
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Have you done your family tree?????
by Es inmy folks have had one lying round for years so now that im more mature and older i have taken and using a program to put it on the computer.
i have spent all day on it and prob no where near finished.
i have so much more research to do it.
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Luna2,
aww I sorta feel bad for your paternal grandmother! That's too bad. I know that happens to a lot of people, they want to know about their families and then some jerk charges them to tell them ANYTHING... thats sad.
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"Watchtower" music group?
by rebel8 inmaybe you've all heard of this but i haven't.
reading a thread on this forum, i noticed a google ad that brought me to the following site: http://music.yahoo.com/ar-268680---watchtower?ovchn=ggl&ovcpn=artist&ovcrn=watchtower&ovtac=ppc.
check out the titles of the songs:.
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I heard of them before, because I was searching on the livejournal.com site for people who were interested in the Watchtower (curious to see if JWs had livejournals or blogs... actually, a surprising amount do! so much for staying away from the internet)... but anyway, a bunch of times I would get people that listed "watchtower" as an interest, and it turned out to be that they were interested in this band, not the Watchtower Society. Is the name just a coincidence? Does anyone know?
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Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of bible?!
by daystar inthe gift of scripture
"the catholic bishops of england, wales and scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect total accuracy from the bible.".
"but the first 11 chapters of genesis, in which two different and at times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that this countrys catholic bishops insist cannot be historical.
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kristyann
Well, I agree with the part about Revelation... I don't think that by reading that book, you can determine how many people will be saved or when this will happen. I believe in the Bible (though not the Apocrypha from the Catholic Bible), but I don't think that everything in it can be taken literally...
From what I have studied about evolution, it's not been proved and there are actually quite a few problems with parts of the theory... obviously I accept that certain things may evolve over time (such as skin color, eye shape, etc, due to climate and such)... but I find it hard to believe that life spontaneously came from non-life... chemicals, or a "warm little pond."
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I agree with the people who suggested the gastric problems excuse... generally if you say that you have been projectile vomiting, no one wants to be around you. It freaks people out a little more than just a cold.
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JWs picking and choosing which rules to follow
by kristyann indoes anyone else find that many, many jehovah's witnesses pick and choose which rules they want to follow?
my boyfriend's parents are jws and i have many, many examples to share with you!
i'd love to hear if any of you have known of similar type things, or if you know any other rules that jws commonly break.
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Hey everyone,
No I definitely don't care if they make Christmas cookies or stuff like that... I say good for them. But I think it's more than slightly idiotic that they condemn me for giving Christmas presents when they make Christmas cookies... do you know what I mean? But no, most of the stuff on there I don't care about... except for child abuse and drugs and the like. But anyhow... my point was not to say that I'm ANGRY that they do these things... I think some of the stuff like sneaking out of meetings is kind of funny. I was just BAFFLED by it. It amazes me, actually. It's amazing that someone could consider themselves JWs when they do all that stuff... I haven't talked to a lot of former members except for my boyfriend and a couple of others, so my point was not to say "Oh I am so angry at them for making Christmas cookies!" but just to express my complete bewilderment at it... and see if anyone had any explanations for it, or if anyone else experienced similar things. That's all. I find some of it funny, some of it sad, some of it makes me angry.... but I was really just curious if anyone else had experienced similar things. I don't know why that's weird.
No, I have never been involved directly with Jehovah's Witnesses. I have been raised in a non-denominational Christian church all of my life. However, I can DEFINITELY understand someone thinking that. I know far more than the typical person does about Jehovah's Witnesses (unless, of course, they were in it). The reason I think I became somewhat obsessed with it is because of my boyfriend. When I met him and he told me he used to be a JW, I was like "Oh brother" but I didn't know too much about them except that they went around doorknocking. That's about it. I didn't even know what the Watchtower was when he mentioned it. And I didn't even know about the no blood transfusions thing! I knew very little about it... but then I became fascinated with it, started going to all these websites like freeminds and reading books (like David Reed's books). I suppose it's definitely a little weird that I know so much about them, though, I will give you that. I don't know, I guess I was just trying to understand things better, and I didn't understand why my boyfriend couldn't stand his parents and why he had so many problems with them until I learned all of this stuff... sorry if that's weird.
Kristy
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JWs picking and choosing which rules to follow
by kristyann indoes anyone else find that many, many jehovah's witnesses pick and choose which rules they want to follow?
my boyfriend's parents are jws and i have many, many examples to share with you!
i'd love to hear if any of you have known of similar type things, or if you know any other rules that jws commonly break.
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Does anyone else find that many, MANY Jehovah's Witnesses pick and choose which rules they want to follow? My boyfriend's parents are JWs and I have many, many examples to share with you! I'd love to hear if any of you have known of similar type things, or if you know any other rules that JWs commonly break. My boyfriend's parents are very big fans of promoting only certain rules, and they never mention the ones that they happen to not like. I find that they seem to do what is convenient for them, as you'll see in my list that follows. By the way, I know it's long, but I have so many crazy things that they do... yet they are considered members in good standing at their Kingdom Hall, and they always talk about how much their religion means to them... If you get a chance, please read all of it, cause I'd love to hear what others think and if others know people that do stuff like this!
Rules my boyfriends dub parents break:
1) They celebrate Thanksgiving. They do NOT celebrate most holidays because most cost money and effort (and they spend very little money or time on their children) but Thanksgiving requires no effort for them because they simply go to the mom's mom's house (my boyfriend's grandma - who, by the way, is not and has never been a JW) and she prepares all of the food... so they seem to celebrate Thanksgiving because they get a big meal at no cost to them. They do not, however, celebrate Christmas because that would require gifts, a tree and decorations, Easter because it would require fancy clothes and candy and baskets, Halloween because it would require costumes and candy (and time to take the kids out trick or treating), birthdays because it would require cakes and presents and parties... etc.
2) They also celebrate New Year's and the 4th of July. The 4th of July one really shocked me, because they do not vote (because that would require some effort and time and thought), they do not pledge allegiance to the flag, they have no respect or interest in government, politics, and no thankfulness or respect for their country... yet they go to the mom's brother's house for fireworks and a party on the 4th of July.
3) They have no problem with their kids going to college... in fact, they encourage it strongly. They refuse to help pay for it, and they mock the education system, but I think they want them to go to college so that they will help take care of them and provide for them when they're old. (Plus, they have no money themselves... the father is the typical famous JW blue collar, low wage manual labor worker, and the lazy mother hasn't worked a day in her life... and does nothing around the house, either). But anyway, they encourage college for their kids (but won't help with it).
4) They don't celebrate Christmas... but every year around Christmas time they bake cookies... and put red and green frosting on them... but yet they don't call them "Christmas cookies." I guess it's just a COINCIDENCE that every December they make cookies with red and green frosting!
5) The kids weren't allowed to participate in afterschool actitivities like sports, etc... except for one: band. This surprised me, since the marching band often plays patriotic songs in parades, and one of their girls was even in color guard, which waves and twirls flags around... But when, years ago, my boyfriend asked if he could play soccer, they didn't even say no, they just handed him a Watchtower article explaining why sports were wrong.... I think they allowed band because the practices take place during the schoolday, so they didn't have to worry about picking up their kid or dropping them off or doing any extra driving... plus the band uniforms and the instruments could be loaned from the school for little or no money, whereas the soccer uniforms cost some money.
6) Every year, after holidays, they always rush to the stores and buy all the reduced Halloween and Christmas and Valentine's candy... even though it has all sorts of "pagan" pictures on it that they would never allow their kids to draw. So many JWs seem to be afraid they will be contaminated if they even touch something with a picture of a Christmas tree or a jack-o-lantern on it, but these people don't mind, as long as it's cheap. (Oh, they also are big fans of those little yellow marshmallow chicks, Peeps, for Easter).
7) They listen to all kinds of "worldly" music... which I know many JWs do... but of all things, they listen to music like Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. Not something I picture the majority of supposedly "straight-laced, conservative" 40-something year old JWs listen to... but they do! They go to rock concerts where there is moshing and crowd surfing and everything! (I have no idea if their congregation is lazy or what, because I am surprised they have never been disfellowshipped or lectured or anything about any of this).
8) They miss meetings ALL of the time. They go to about 1 Sunday meeting per month... they often only stay for the public talk and then leave before the Watchtower study... they stand there and never sing the songs when people are singing from the songbook, they just stare into space, or look embarassed... They always get there late and sneak out early. And they NEVER go to the Theocratic Ministry School or book studies during the week. This, to me, is mind-boggling. They always try to make themselves sound so holy, and they look for ANY excuse to not go to meetings! Halfway through the meeting, the mother is always going "I'm dizzy..." or "I have a headache..." and then they get up and leave early! (She's pretty much a hypochondriac... always saying something's wrong to get attention).
9) The only one that is baptized is the mother... and she's a convert. The father, who was RAISED in it, never got baptized... yet he gets SO MAD when we try to tell him anything about the Watchtower Society. He acts like his religion means so much to him... yet he was never baptized, and has never gone out in the door-to-door work ONCE. Actually, neither have any of the kids! The mother is the ONLY one... and she has gone maybe a total of 5 or 6 times.... I don't even know how she got baptized. She hasn't gone out in like 6 years...
10) They never go to district assemblies, either. They have been to maybe 2 in their whole lives.
11) They don't "limit worldly associations." They have absolutely no JW friends... actually, they just don't have any friends at all. But only like a couple of their relatives are JWs... and they talk to everyone, no matter what. They never even tried to convert anyone. They obviously don't seem to care if their relatives die at Armageddon (but I am glad they never tried to convert more people). But the father has like a million brothers and sisters (11 or 12 of them, I think... they are majorly hick)... and only 2 out of the 11 or 12 are JWs... and he talks to all of them and gets together with them, no problem.
12) Their kids (which would be my boyfriend's brother and 2 sisters) are allowed to hang out with anyone they want.... and they are allowed to date anyone they want. They date non-JWs all the time, and not one of them has a single JW friend. I think the parents are too lazy to try to keep up with what their kids are even doing... so they have "worldly" people hanging out, coming in and out of the house all day, and the parents don't care. Actually, I am the only non-JW person they ever had a problem with... and the reason they said they didn't like me was because I'm not a JW! LOL Then what about everyone else? Why do you still like them?
13) The father (my boyfriend's dad) smoked for years.
14) They both did drugs for years - still considering themselves JWs, of course. They did pot and acid.
15) They had my boyfriend out of wedlock, before they were married... so obviously they had no problem with premarital sex... and they didn't get married until months and months after he was born... yet they still went to the Kingdom Hall... and no one at the Kingdom Hall even gave them a hard time about it, apparently (I wasn't there, of course... but it seems that everyone seemed to congratulate them, from what I can gather... maybe they lied and said they were married?)
16) They don't seem to have much of a problem with "dangerous, risky" behaviors that are so warned against... especially in the "What Does God Require Of Us?" booklet. They have snowmobiles and 4-wheelers (even though they spend no money on anything else, all their clothes are thrift store stuff and they won't even take their kids to the doctors... their one daughter was in a coma, and they didn't want to take her to occupational therapy after she got out of it because they said it cost too much!) So anyway they ride around on their 4-wheelers and snowmobiles... and the mother has epilepsy and has seizures, yet she has never told this to a doctor (seeing as to how she doesn't go to one).... and she drives around all of the time, even though anyone with her condition should not be driving... unless they're on medicine. (I know this, because I have an ex-bf who had the same thing, and he was allowed to drive after awhile, but he needed medicine). She could have a seizure at any time on the road, cause she says she "never knows when they're coming" and gets no warning signals, and she could kill herself, her kids, her husband, or any number of innocent strangers.. yet she's too selfish to stop driving.
17) The mother carries around a no-blood card but the father doesn't. The mother tried to get her kids to carry them, but they wouldn't, so she didn't say anything else about it.
18) They used to beat their kids with all kinds of things... belts, paint stirrers, hairbrushes, wooden spoons, silverware, their fists... the father even pushed my boyfriend down a flight of stairs when he was a toddler! Yet don't the WT publications say not to abuse your children?
Okay, let me know if you know of similar things!
God bless you all (and thanks for being so welcoming to me)
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children of god cult on dr phil today
by candidlynuts in.
its playing on our station right now.. interesting .
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I didn't know that about River and Joaquin Phoenix! Yeah, the Children of God is majorly messed up... people were having sex with 2 year olds! they said they encouraged all adults to "share"... meaning they can have sex with any other adult they want. Children were encouraged to sexually stimulate their parents and other children.
Also... they tried to recruit members to the cult (or solicit funds) by something they called "Flirty Fishing"... which involved women having sex with people to try to recruit them! They actually called themselves "Hookers for Jesus." That is so sick and blasphemous and downright EVIL...
I wish dr. phil would expose JWs... but then again, he seems to only do the smaller, more "extreme" ones (though I think JWs letting their kids die by denying them blood is pretty extreme)... but they did this one on Colorado City, which is the home to the Fundamental Church of Latter Day Saints... and they were VERY careful to say that "This cult is in no way connected to the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, nor do modern Mormons condone or practice polygamy." He was like trying to be all CAREFUL not to offend Mormons, because they are considered more "mainstream" than other cults...so he doesn't seem to want to pick on the bigger, "less extreme" cults. (though, like I said, jws thrusting their kids in harms way is pretty extreme to me!)
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THE NEW ATTACKS ON EDUCATION ARTICLES
by kristyann inhey all... i'm new to this forum... i was wondering if anyone could help me out.... i have been reading all over the place that there are a bunch of new articles out attacking higher education/college.
which issues are these in?
i heard that they're in more than one issue.... is it watchtower or awake or both?
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THANKS, everyone! Thanks for all the info and for welcoming me!
**** If any of you actually typed all of that out and didn't copy and paste it from somewhere, thanks so much! I really appreciate that, cause that must have taken quite a bit of time!
You're all very sweet and helpful, and I can tell I'm gonna like it here!
By the way... this might sound stupid... and I do know an awful lot about the WTS, Jehovah's Witnesses and am constantly getting all the info I can... so it might sound stupid that I don't know something as basic as this... but why do you call them "dubs?"
THANKS AGAIN, GUYS for the help!
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THE NEW ATTACKS ON EDUCATION ARTICLES
by kristyann inhey all... i'm new to this forum... i was wondering if anyone could help me out.... i have been reading all over the place that there are a bunch of new articles out attacking higher education/college.
which issues are these in?
i heard that they're in more than one issue.... is it watchtower or awake or both?
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Hey all... I'm new to this forum... I was wondering if anyone could help me out.... I have been reading all over the place that there are a bunch of new articles out attacking higher education/college. Which issues are these in? I heard that they're in more than one issue.... is it Watchtower or Awake or both? Could anyone tell me the exact dates of the issues and which one (WT or Awake).... also... where can I pick these up? I really want copies of them to show to someone still involved w/the WTS to show them how nuts it is... but I don't know where to get them. Should I stroll into a random KH and act interested and ask for them?
Thanks all, and sorry if this was annoying!