The Society's bible chronology for the 6000 year terminus being 1975 is based entirely on James Usher's Annales Veteris at Novi Testamenti (years of the old and new testaments), which is disputed. How richly ironic that the Society relied so heavily on this single secular historican's version of bible chronology, yet they reject the tonnes of secular historical evidence that 586 is the correct date for the destruction of Jerusalem. Blind fools.
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Are we in Christ's 1000 year reign yet?
by undercover insomething that gets lost in the debate over whether the wts ever claimed in print that armageddon would come in 1975 is that they did teach, in print, that 1975 would be the end of 6,000 years of man's existance on earth.. what significance is that?
according to the wts, in print, jesus would start his new 1,000 year reign of peace at the start of the new "millenium".
satan would be abyssed, war will end, the wicked destroyed.. whether the wts said in so many words, "armageddon is coming in 1975" or not, it is strongly associated with the then coming 1,000 year period of peace and rule by jesus.
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Our site and THAT article, what we have decided to do.
by fullofdoubtnow inas many of you know, we were asked to remove an article from our website the other day after pressure on the site admin from jws.
we had thought of rewriting it, and including references, then putting it back on the site.. however, we aren't going to do that now.
instead, trev has expanded the article somewhat, and included examples, all of which ended up with the abusive jw concerned going to prison, and we are having 2000 copies printed initially, and distributed locally.
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yaddayadda
Interesting website, although not sure why you logically conclude that JW's do not have 'anything remotely resembling' 'the truth' just because the WTS associated with the UN and 607 is not when Jerusalem fell? The typical loyal JW who happened upon your sight would dismiss that derisively, thinking "the writer of this website imagines that to have the true religion means it must be a perfect religion". Are there any other more compelling reasons you have?
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It simply means Jesus returns when people least expect it, when they are sleeping, not on guard. Since hundreds of millions of Christians are keenly expecting Jesus to float down from the sky any day now and touch down by the wailing wall in Jerusalem or whatever, it means Jesus return is not near.
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What constitutes a JW salvation and why?
by jelloface inwhat do the jw's believe makes people saved?
what is wrong with the non-jehovah's witness's life that makes them need salvation?
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The Watchtower Society says that taking in spiritual food, ie, knowledge of Jehovah and Jesus and their kingdom through the faithful and discreet slave is vital to salvation - John 17:3..the JW mantra. Hence you must not forsake going to all the meetings so you can take in that knowledge. You must also report field service time or you will be bloodguilty when the big A arrives. The world at large is guilty of community bloodguilt and are doomed to die, and if you do not warn them they will die you are also bloodguilty and will die. If by the time Armageddon comes you're found slacking in the JW works programme, the chances are you will be slaughtered by a God of love (I love you - I'll kill you) and will be non-existent for all eternity, along with 99% of the rest of mankind. So, in a nutshell, JW salvation depends on obediently performing the organisational works agenda set by the WTS leadership.
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the apocalyptic wrath of Jehovah
by veradico inhas anyone here ever read donald hall's "prophecy," from the one day: a poem in three parts?
it gives deuteronomy chapter 28 a run for its money.
its disturbing vision is sure to thrill those dubs whose only christmas wish (if they could have such a pagan thing) would be for everyone else to just die already.
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Who is Donald Hall and why should I care about his poems?
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family alienation PE book
by econaut incan someone help out.
i'm doing a speech on cult recruitment and wanted to illustrate the wts's effort to separate new recruits from family by quoting the opening of the pe book that "warns" the reader that his family will be used by satan to discourage them.
could anyone post the paragraph, by quoting or scanning?
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yaddayadda
Yikes it is so long since I read that paragraph in the PE book. Now it seems to bizarre to read it, so cultish....like something the moonies would say.
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The web each JW weaves makes it too difficult to leave
by jwfacts ini just found out that a jw friend of mine has just formed a company with several jws, including some of my relatives.
i know he realises it is probably not the truth but had put on hold doing anything about it for the sake of his wife.
now there is little hope of him leaving for some time.
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'..know it is not the truth...'. You want your friend to leave because he discovers it is 'not the truth'? Such phrases are meaningless. Every religion has some truth and some falsehood. There is truth and falsehood everywhere, inside and outside of religion. Can you prove the JW's don't teach many things that are in fact true? Now it is suddenly a matter of life and death for him to leave?
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Laying the groundwork for dumping the "1935 anointed cutoff" date?
by sir82 inthe next domino to fall in the society's muddled chronology-based teachings is very likely to be the concept that the "general call" for anointed members of the 144,000 ended in 1935, when the "great crowd" was identified.
after 2+ decades of seeing the number of "memorial partakers" hover in the mid-8000's, when actuarially speaking the number can't really be more than a few hundred at most, the society needs to do something (as in, change the teaching, just as the passing of time necessitated a change to the "1914 generation" teaching).. at our circuit assembly this past weekend, i heard something which makes me think the society may already be laying the groundwork for this "new light".
the public talk included "4 lines of evidence" that we are living in "the last days".
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"4) Positive changes in Jehovah's org. (Isa. 2:4, preaching work Matt. 24:14, etc.)" - Can't quite see how those scriptures connect with the idea of 'positive changes in Jehovah's org.' The preaching work done by JW's that Isa 2:4 and Matt 24:14 is meant to foretell is not a 'change in' the organisation, it is something they have always done; in fact it is the stated objective of the organisation. Are you sure you have got point number 4 correct? If point 4 is indeed referring to the new idea of changes within the organisation being an evidence, as opposed merely to the global preaching done by JW's (surely a different evidence altogether), then that would seem to be quite a startling new 'proof' that the end is near! If that was true then could the Society be setting everyone up for some glorious 'new light' soon, portraying it in advance to be evidence in itself of the nearness of the systems end? Imagine that - every time the Society brings out 'new light' or makes a few changes in the organisation, JW's become convinced that the end of the world is nigh. They are crafty those old guys at Patterson.
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How do you combat laziness?
by AlmostAtheist ini didn't say "unmotivated" or "lacking direction" or any of the other euphemisms i typically apply to it.
i said what i meant, and i do mean it.. but i can't imagine it has to be this way.
surely there's something i can do to combat it.
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Try reading "In Praise of Idleness" by Bertrand Russell - google it now and enjoy it. The term 'lazy' is largely used today as a pejorative to make people feel guilty for not matching Society's largely harsh and unhealthy objectives for the masses, ie, keep people enslaved to working long hours in largely meaningless occupations and feeling guilty and ashamed for not doing something 'productive'. Ancient slavery has been replaced by wage slavery, often minimum wage that renders people barely incapable of rising above the poverty line. The truth is that humans are naturally meant to be somewhat idle, like the animals. There is absolutely no economic reason why any human being should have to work more than about 20 hours a week - many researchers predicted that by now this would have occurred, but alas, we are still languishing in out of date thinking about what makes life important (mortgages, big houses, big cars, latest digital technology, latest big brand fashion accessories - ALL BOLLOX). Life today is unnaturally pressured, complex, fast, with too many expectations heaped on people's shoulders. Stop feeling guilty about being lazy but constructively enjoy it.
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Possible clue to the "Big" Announcement!!
by Lady Liberty inmy husband, the black pearl, had a interesting conversation with his mother today.
she was trying to be all kiss butt nice, for today that is, to tell him about the new tract that is coming out in october.
apparently they don't have it yet.
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yaddayadda
I'm 99% sure you are right. The special tract and campaign is what the so-called 'big announcement' is. This is what Arthur's elder friend who knew a GB member who said that there was going to be some announcement this month and a lot of people are not going to like it, was talking about. Everyones got steamed up over nothing, thanks to a bit of hearsay. But you never know...there are still 24 days left in October lol.