ps - next time don't rush into marrying someone you have only courted online. It's lunacy to marry someone after only meeting them in the flesh the day before.
yaddayadda
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Hello..need help...I'm on the brink of :(
by crazito inshort story:.
never had a real religious formation until i met the witness in my teenage years.. not everything has been bad but most of my friends there and exwife have been cheaters, liars and hypocrites.... i called it quits this year as i could no longer swallow their truth.
i remarried a supposedly "christian" 23 yr old woman that has shown me how bad things are 'out here'.... regarding her i have a question... those of you that continue to uphold bible's principles and love for our dear creator please advise on the following situation:.
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Is there such thing as a true belief?
by The Dragon inor does the belief turn into truth once proven and verified?
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With all due respect Narkissos, Wittgensteinsian linguistic philosophy is so passe.
A belief is subjective. I 'believe' that this is true/not true. Truth rests on facts. Facts may be either verifiable and demonstrable, or undiscovered and unknown. The trueness or otherwise of a particular belief therefore rests on whether it is based on facts (whether the believer realises it or not). Once a belief is undeniably proven to be 'true' it is no longer a belief, but a fact. -
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Your answer to a JW's question "What is an alternative?"
by ukescott ina jw that i engaged in a series of debate finally posed this question.
i can see that he is running out of his "canned" answers and he wants to defend his organization desperately or he doesn't want to admit that he is dead wrong.
so he uses this faulty logic to depend his belief system.
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yaddayadda
The fact is that there has always been groups of Christians gathered together in congregation like structures from the first century down to today. Christians are encouraged and expected to associate with other Christians, for obvious reasons. Going it alone is not really an option for a Christian if he really is interested in conforming to the scriptural counsel and Christian historical precedent in this matter.
There is nothing intrinsically unscriptural with the notion of a religious 'organisation' as such; it is really just a collection of congregations conforming to an accepted body of beliefs/interpretations. The only difference between them is the degree of authority exerted by those leading each congregational grouping, whether it be a single, 'independent' congregation or a global, highly structured supercluster. A sincere Christian is deluding themself if they think Christianity and 'congregation' can be divorced from each other. They have always gone hand in hand.
When a troubled JW asks 'what is an alternative' (to JW's) they are instinctively and correctly asking 'what other congregational group can I associate with?' This is the dilemma for JW's who wonder about 'alternatives' to being in the organisation. They recognise the need to associate together with other Christians in meaningful worship (Heb 10: 24, 25, etc) but they see the idea of swapping JW's for some other denomination as going from the pan to the fire, because of the doctrinal chasm. So in their mind they rationalise their situation and decide to stick with the devil they know, as it were. I think it's a very human, understandable rationalisation and I would never offer some flip solution such as "you don't need any 'organisation', just read your bible and pray at home alone", or similar. That's not the answer.
When one gets away from the paradigm that there is a 'true Christian religion' that they must stick to and realises that there are only good and bad people everywhere, ie, that it is all about Christian individuals, not organisations, the answer becomes apparent. The solution boils down to where one feels comfortable and can find wholesome association, warm friendship, and mutual encouragement to continue to walk the Christian path, assuming that is what the asker of the question is still wanting to do. My advice to those who have determined to abandon the JW organisation but who still want to be Christians is to reach out and form new Christian relationships with those in other churches. It really is all about relationships in a congregation, not membership in a religion. You will likely be pleasantly surprised, despite the doctrinal differences you encounter. -
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JW's - How many Masters are you serving?
by Honesty indo jw's agree with romans 6:16 that if one obeys someone they are slaves of the one they are obeying?.
romans 6:16 says, "do you not know that if you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of that one you obey either of sin leading to death or of obedience leading to righteousness?
the watchtower society's daily text for monday december 18, 2006 says, "similarly, we will be blessed if we recognize and obey the prophet greater than moses, jesus, as well as "the faithful and discreet slave" appointed by him.".
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Confession, no one is doubting that the WTS has distorted and abused the FDS concept. You miss the point though. Honesty is taking Jesus' words about hating the one and loving the other out of its natural context. Jesus was talking about loving things like money and material things more than loving him. Those things are in direct opposition to love of spiritual things. He wasn't suggesting Christians hate their religious leaders, who attempt to lead people to God and Christ, not detract from them. He never told any of his listeners to hate the Pharisees or Saducees. In fact he said to do what they said, despite their teaching leavenous (false) things and having proud, wicked hearts. I don't see it as reasonable to use Jesus words here to portray the extreme viewpoint that JW's somehow hate Jesus simply because they accept the FDS interpretation put forward by the Society. JW's are mislead by the Society and have given their thinking faculties over to it, but that hardly means they are in a position of hating Jesus because of that. It is more the case that the Watchtower Society has put itself in the seat of Moses, as it were, and that Jesus is being denied some of the proper honour and focus that he should be getting because of the Watchtower's obession with itself.
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e-jehovahs-witnesses & e-watchman
by rassillon inis there anyone here that used to or currently posts there?.
i did over a year ago, right before robert came out of the closet and went nutsoid.. he weirds me out.
and the other people are like sheeple.. i am so glad i found this place.. can we say delusions of grandure.
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E-watchman: "However, that does not mean that the board owner has rejected the accurate teachings, such as (but not limited to) the New Covenant involving and being limited to the 144,000 anointed Christians from among mankind, the heavenly hope of the anointed, an in-gathering to Jehovah's organization of the "Great Crowd," and similar Bible-based Truths."
How ridiculous. There is absolutely no compelling reason to suppose that the heavingly calling is limited to literally 144,000. The Society's argument for this is not very strong. Robert King must surely be aware of the compelling arguments against such an interpretation.
And what on earth does he mean "an in-gathering to Jehovah's organization of the "Great Crowd,"..." Doesn't he preach that the Watchtower Society is going to collapse, actually be removed by Jehovah as discipline for its sins? So what on earth is this 'organisation' that the 'great crowd' is going to be gathered into? There won't be any 'organisation' left to run to during the great tribulation if his doomsday interpretations about what shortly lies ahead for the world come true.
In any event he's ripped most of his ideas off from Don Burney of the YORRWW congregation, or whatever they call themselves. He denies ever having read Burney's book 'The Report' but he clearly stumbled across them when browsing old ex-jw www forum's (eg, H20?) that Burney used to post on. -
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How much did you sleep at the conventions/assemblies?
by avidbiblereader ina lot!!!
i have done my share of sleeping at conventions with the elbow in the side, same ol same ol.
you would know which scripture was coming before they ever said it.
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I always found sleeping at meetings and conventions particularly delicious. Taboo sleep sure felt good.
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Muscle cramps
by Emma inanyone experience leg cramps?
that's why i'm up at this hour.
not just a charlie-horse in the lower leg, but ones in the thigh that have me bolting upright out of bed and immobile for several minutes.
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Most calcium and magnesium supplements are completely useless as they are not bio-available. It's better to eat foods that are high in the extra minerals you need. There are good books around on that.
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there is apparently rampant apostacy in my ex kh
by unbeliever inmy friend called and told me there were 3 announcements last night at the kh saying x, x, & x are no longer jw's.
they all da'd themselves.
all 3 sent letters out to a select group of friends and family before they gave their letters to the elders.
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This is interesting. It highlights there are more doubters starting to talk to each other in the congregation. Little pockets of dissent are congealing.
There is going to be an increasing polarisation occuring in the organisation between the fearfully loyal and the doubters.
Three persons being announced as no longer JW's (later revealed to be for 'apostasy') is tremendously damaging to a congregation and in fact an entire circuit, especially if the persons who left were in good standing and/or reputable, eg, elders or pioneers. Morale plummets in the whole circuit and others who are struggling with 'doubts' find encouragement to do forbidden research. These three obviously went down in a flame of fire by writing letters to friends and family. The congregation will probably never recover. (The die-hards will just take it as evidence of the congregation being tested and sifted by Satan and proof the end is near.)
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Predictions for 2007
by free2beme ini will search deep in to my mind, and predict ten things for 2007. .
politics.
1. john kerry will announce that he will not run for president.. 2. bill clinton will reveal he has terminal cancer.. environment.
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yaddayadda
A major political assassination.
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Lotto Watchtower
by JH inonly 1 religion gets the prize.
eternal life for the winners.
all the other religions gets nothing.
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Yep, the psychology behind why JW's slavishly cling to every utterance coming forth from the Watchtower's mouth is not much different from why a person just cannot break their expensive lotto habit. Both are pipe-dreams.