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  heehee, today is the day....

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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  i lose the dub look.. in comes experimental hair color.. bleach blond with red.

  soon a pierced nose.. a few years ago i did ruby highlights on black and my sister outright said it was too punky and the elders would more than likely take away my privileges.. this is my way of "stickin' it to the man" (ok, i got that from the sprint commercial, but it sounds good.. my husband loves it.

  i started the process last night, but my hair is so dark, it's taking 2 days.. it should be interesting running into people from ye ol' hall.. .

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  Megan-

  LOL! I'd love to see the finished product.

  let's see who can get their nose pierced first, I just got my bellybutton done and the nose is next.

  You go girl!!
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  CO's talk - A People Prepared for Survival

  by truthseeker in

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  the co last week gave the following talk, "a people prepared for survival".

  he solely used an old testament example, that of the israelites preparing to eat their lamb and greens in haste and mark their doorposts with blood.

  they only had a limited time to get prepared, get the sheep, cook it thoroughly before the angel of death came to kill egyptians firstborn.

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  another tactic using FEAR, and MANIPULATION!

  makes me sick to think that sh*t really scared me at one time......
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  Did you ever have a crush on a married Brother or Sister?

  by JH in

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  did you ever have a crush on a married brother or sister, and they probably knew about it, just by your actions?

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  slugga-

  Judy Bone

  te he te he................you said judy BONE
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  Richie's Elders: Deaf? Dumb? Both?

  by RichieRich in

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  let me preface this by saying that i in now way mean to insult to the deaf/mute community by comparing them to leaders of a very prevalent cult, the jehovah's witnesses.

  you see, in the service meeting last night, there was a talk based on an article in the january 2006 our kingdom ministry entitled "young ones: shining as illuminaters".

  the brother who gave this part is my book study overseer, and a member of the "richie taskforce", i.e.

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  good for you Richie...

  you said the forbidden word....."COLLEGE!"

  ha ha ha
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  requiem

  by bebu in

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  i feel the need to update the ending to my mother's story.. after her surgery last september, when no tumor was found, she went home to enjoy happy visits from family (constantly), recovery, and two new kittens.

  one month of happiness at her home, which she had designed herself 20 years ago.

  my parents were reading and preparing her for living with ms, which was her new diagnosis.. .

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  (((((((((((((bebu)))))))))))))

  what a beautiful mom. she sounds so special. you are a good daughter to love her so much.

  i'm so sorry for such a huge loss.
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  my letter to my dad. what do you think?

  by freedomlover in

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  hey you all.

  well finally got the courage to put this all down on paper for my dad.

  if you want to read it and give me any feedback i'd truly appreciate it.

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  thanks JT -

  I agree. the approach has to be done tenderly and carefully. we are smarter than the WTS. I think we just need to learn to approach JW's still in with an unemotional approach which is almost impossible with family members whom we love so dearly.

  we apostates are growing and getting stronger because we are learning from each other. that is not good for the WTS. he he he.
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  Question about Love

  by XBEHERE in

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  (1 corinthians 13:6-8) .

  .. 7it bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

  8 love never fails.

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  A JW might argue that they are showing love by allowing these ones to correct their course and come back to Jehovah (the WTS)

  when has guilt and fear been the right motivating factor in getting anyone to do anything?

  love never fails.

  it fails for JW's and shunning because it isn't loving.
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  my letter to my dad. what do you think?

  by freedomlover in

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  hey you all.

  well finally got the courage to put this all down on paper for my dad.

  if you want to read it and give me any feedback i'd truly appreciate it.

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  • yes Auldsoul. He loves the prophecy stuff but not to the point of being dogmatic. he is like I was. He feels this must be the right organization, warts and all, because of the prophecy stuff. If the prophecy stuff comes tumbling down then it all does, IMO. He was an elder for a few years back and he got burnt out because he is actually one of those guys that is loving and wants to help and he just has to fight to have mercy and love shown to "wrongdoers." he got tired of fighting all the nazi elders. I remember one committee he was on and it was for a sister who was being phyically abused by her MS husband who was addicted to painkillers. All the elders on this committee said she needed to stay because he hadn't "cheated" on her. My dad felt there was more to this case and it wouldn't help anything to just have the black and white thinking that she had to just go back. Needless to say - she went back. wound up not being able to take it anymore, cheating on her abusive husband, got DF'ed and then moved away. now she is shunned by all her family. that situation haunts my dad. he feels he sould have done more........

  He is not a blood sucking elder, he actually has a heart. that's why I feel he will have a very hard time shunning me. He told me in one of our conversations a few weeks ago, when I was expressing my opinions on the society's changing view of secular education, that he would never shun any of his kids for disagreeing with something the society says. He then said that ITIS and myself could always talk to him about such things.

  I'm hopeful. we'll see.
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  my letter to my dad. what do you think?

  by freedomlover in

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  hey you all.

  well finally got the courage to put this all down on paper for my dad.

  if you want to read it and give me any feedback i'd truly appreciate it.

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  tetra -

  just bear in mind the slight possibility of shunning right off the bat.

  I am prepared for this. I expecting the worst and hoping for the best.....

  the other thing i like about the letter idea, is that as much as we may hate to admit it, many of us may get sort of choked up, or find ourselves at a loss for words when face to face with a JW, for some weird psychological reason. i know. it happened to me once. but that's why a letter works well. when you do talk with your dad, he'll already know the ground you stand on. he'll already know that you have done a bunch of research. so the letter will probably act as a sort of outline for the first conversation you have with him in person, which will probably be a nerve-racking one in all honesty. but imo, easier slightly because you will have something to focus on through the haze of emotion.

  YES! YES! this is exactly why I'm sending a letter. ITIS and both feel this is the best way to approach my dad. I know I'm catching some flack for not doing this face to face but I know my emotions will get the better of me with my dad, and I don't think I will articulate my points the way I need to. I need him to get over the initial shock before he and I can "talk" about this......

  as far as debating with him....yes. yes. ITIS and I will have a lot of talking to do. I'm going to use the witness reasoning and only discuss ONE POINT at a time. If I don't know the answer I can give him the JW canned answer " well I'd like to do some research on that before I answer you." LOL!
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  my letter to my dad. what do you think?

  by freedomlover in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hey you all.

  well finally got the courage to put this all down on paper for my dad.

  if you want to read it and give me any feedback i'd truly appreciate it.

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  JT -

  so i have to ask why are you writing this letter, is it to provide you with the freedom that you need to move on, then great- but is it to help your dad see why you have chosen this course, for example you state the following

  1. I am not a threat to the congregation.

  2. I don’t plan on discussing these issues with anyone else.

  3. I just want to walk away and start over.

  4. I’m not planning on becoming immoral, or

  5. becoming a Satan worshiper.

  Now unless your dad has his own doubts and concerns about the organization- you sound like an Apostate to me-

  I guess you have to understand my dad and our relationship. My dad has had his fair share of bad treatment in org. He was df'ed years ago and my dad has used this organization to give him some self-esteem. He and I actually had a conversation in person about a month ago where I was talking to him about the secular education issue. ( ITIS also has had many conversations with him recently) He has agreed with us completely on every subject we have discussed. He and my stepmom have been having SERIOUS doubts lately. They are both physically and emotionally sick because of the stress of this org. I used the phrase "I just want to walk away and start over" because those were his words in our conversation. He was talking about how if someone disagrees with the society they aren't allowed to vocalize it or there would be consequences. Then he says - "sometimes the only thing to do when people are in that situation is to pack up and move and start over." I almost hit the floor when he said that because I figured he found out that's what we were doing at that point! lol!

  he does have doubts. that's the reason I feel like I owe him an explanation. I also mostly did this for me. even if he shuns me, I had to do this. I had to just be honest with him.

  I guess I should have given a little more backround on my dad's position. I seem to be confusing a lot of you folks here! lol.

  ((((((crumpet)))))) thanks sweetie. I often read your stories with your dad and it makes me cry because I can relate so much......