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  Introducing two loves of my life

  by Darth Yhwh in

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  i got this idea from my wife.

  she posted a similar topic on one of the forums she frequents.

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  freedomlover

  what a bunch of cuties!
  
  I'm sure you and your wife are crazy busy with them sometimes!
  
  like someone else said - I'm so happy they will grow up like normal kids and I'm so happy to know we are the ones stopping the dsyfunctional pattern of the org. in our children's lives.
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  What leaving really means

  by under_believer in

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  recently my family had occasion to attend a function held in our honor, an event commemorating a certain achievement.

  it was thrown by close relatives, witnesses all.

  it included parents, grandparents, cousins, siblings, auties and uncles.

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  freedomlover

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/104412/1.ashx
  
  
  
  
  
  It does get better though and there is life outside of this org. and there are wonderful people out there who aren't JW's.
  
  Just keep showing love on your side and it may give them incentive to think things through.....
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  I have to make one of the toughest decisions of my life

  by unbeliever in

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  2. friends

  i am not even sure why i am posting because its so personal but i could really use some advice.

  i am also embarrassed that i got myself in this situation.

  there is this guy that i have known for a couple of years.

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  freedomlover

  ((((sweety))))) CONGRATS on this beautiful baby!
  
  None of us can tell you what to do here.
  
  Fact is, yes, this is a difficult situation. You know what to do, but talking it out here will help you figure out what to do.
  
  I am a wife and mother and I worked with mothers and midwives in a birthing center so I have to tell you that your feelings are perfectly NORMAL! such as -
  
  
  
  
  
  this is what motherhood is all about. Even when you are in a steady, reliable, relationship mothers lives seem to change 95% and fathers 5%. It's just the way it is. Not to say that fathers lives don't change but from the start of pregnancy forward mothers make TREMENDOUS sacrifices for their children. The rewards are more than worth it though....
  
  
  
  
  
  Wonderful! You are a step ahead of the game than most single mothers I've worked with. You will be amazed at the network you will build and daycare can be a great experience for children. Your child will be well adjusted what ever you decide. One thing that is beautiful about children is that they are VERY resilient!
  
  
  
  
  
  You are scared because it's unknown and I will be honest that you will have moments where you will question your decision - regardless of WHATEVER that decision is. Children are hard work, the hardest I've ever known. Gather your support and lean on family and friends when it gets to be too hard.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  You are NOT being selfish at all. You are being very realistic. I applaud you!
  
  
  keep us up to date. I'll be thinking of you and wondering how things are going......
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  Ever heard "We sure need that New System"?

  by MissBehave in

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  2. friends

  ever heard a jw say that?

  kinds makes me feel all pukey inside.

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  freedomlover

  being on this side of the borg now, I realize no great Jehovah is going to clean the earth up and so it's really made me look into being more environmentally friendly. I always was but even more so now.
  
  I remember JW's throwing things our that could be recycled or they were toxic (old oil, paint, chemicals, etc.) and actually hearing them say " ahh, I'll leave the clean up to Jehovah in the new system!"
  
  there's a MODEL citizen eh??
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  The Price for Immortality

  by Farkel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  suppose that people live forever.. strangely, the population of each city splits in two: the laters and the nows.. the laters reason that there is no hurry to begin their classes at the university , to learn a second language, to read voltaire or newton, to seek promotion in their jobs, to fall in love, to raise a family.

  for all these things, there is an infinite span of time.

  in endless time, all things can be accomplished.

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  freedomlover

  great excerpt Farkel.
  
  I used to think something similar when I was a dub....
  
  We have many treasured antiques and heirlooms in our family that have been carefully handed down. I have a sort of passion with history of pieces that have been in our family. Whose homes they were in, what was stored in them, who made them, how old are they, if they could talk what hidden stories could they tell?
  
  all this richness would be forever gone if our generations lived forever. how bland, how unrich our history would be.
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  Letter to family - first draft

  by sass_my_frass in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after a few weeks of being very angry with everybody, making an ass of myself, and being rotten company, a few people told me to start sorting this hurt and anger out, and an effective way is to direct it to the people who caused it - the people who shun me.

  so i might send them this, or some version of this, in a while.

  in october we're going to the other side of the country where they all live, to see my darling nan and maybe close things with the witnesses for good.

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  freedomlover

  (((((sass)))))))
  
  very well written letter. Doesn't it feel great to get that stuff out of you and onto paper??
  
  I too wish there was some way to get into our loved ones heads when they are 65, 70, 75, 80 and they are STILL here! what a horrid feeling that will be for them. I don't envy them. Maybe people like us will be the ones they turn to, even if it's that long in coming.
  
  love you sweety - you are brave to do this! - freedomlover
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  "The Dancer" - A Short Story

  by AlmostAtheist in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey all, .

  here's a story that resulted from a writing challenge issued by an old high school friend of mine -- who coincidentally contacted me through jwd.

  the challenge was, "a friend from your past brings you a gift".

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  freedomlover

  great story Dave! what a hopeless romantic you must be.......
  
  
  I hope you are doing good these days. - freedomlover
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  TomKat: my gut feelings are getting stronger

  by Lady Lee in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok i don't bother much about celebrities and all this craziness about couples getting together and breaking up is more than likely media blown out of proportion but..... tom cruise and katie holmes .... something here really doesn't feel right to me.. we have older man vs young woman.

  clearly a man who has no problem making a spectacle of himself - jumping on the furniture on international tv - she seemed rather shy and subdued.

  a man who has no problem voicing his religious beliefs as if he and he alone has the ultimate truth of matters - she not so experienced so follows his beliefs (according to the media).

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  freedomlover

  I just shake my head whenever I see them together. He seems like he's "scary" behind closed doors. I feel sorry for her mostly.
  
  
  At least she'll be able to afford a good counselor whenever she leaves.....(hint - alimony/child support out of this world!)
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  JWD forum is another battleground for your souls.

  by Spectrum in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you think about it, it's true.

  what's the difference?

  constant shifting sands, one minute the grains are over here then we seek to blow them over there.

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  freedomlover

  *Dave once said to me "you have to be careful if you set out to slay dragons, because you can become one", very true thought.*
  
  
  well said WLG.
  
  man, how did Dave get so damn smart?????????
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  JWD forum is another battleground for your souls.

  by Spectrum in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you think about it, it's true.

  what's the difference?

  constant shifting sands, one minute the grains are over here then we seek to blow them over there.

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  freedomlover

  I will be the first to step up and say I don't CHOOSE to associate with JW's in my life because frankly, I'm really uncomfortable around them. That may very well be because of what I have been through - but part of this process I feel is getting to the point where I'm NOT uncomfortable being around witnesses. Some of the most precious people I've ever known are part of the JW religion. Do I discard them as a whole? Insult them and their beliefs by having an air of arrogance that I know more than them now? I feel that would be hypocritical regardless of what I believe. THat air of arrogance is one of the things I didn't like about some JW's. They are still people, who need to be shown love even if they aren't willing to do it first.
  
  Don't get me wrong. I love the debate, but we should be able to walk away with a respect for that person still and maybe even a few new ideas or insights. Even JW's are examples to me at times, and the insight of why they have chosen what they have chosen. We are not going to get all JW's "out." Sometimes I think we need to explore the idea that SOME people MAY be better off staying JW's.
  
  just my opinion.....