Danny rocks!
Keep the updates coming.
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EMAIL DRIVE for AP Blood News
by Severus inemail drive
we are still working to collect email addresses of jehovah's witnesses and others who may be interested in the blood issue.. this is a means for there to be direct exposure for otherwise close-minded jws.
many are reading the ap new article in their paper.
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Bizarre Comment from Platform about Blue Crystals and Elijah's Fire
by Severus incomment heard from the watchtower conductor from the platform today regarding elijah versus baal showdown at mount carmel:.
the conductor states that he used to have a 1948 magazine (watchtower ofrawake!
is unknown) that quoted a scientist that had discovered "blue crystals" on mount carmel.
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Comment heard from the Watchtower conductor from the platform today regarding Elijah versus Baal showdown at Mount Carmel:
The conductor states that he used to have a 1948 magazine (Watchtower ofrAwake! is unknown) that quoted a scientist that had discovered "blue crystals" on Mount Carmel. The scientist had only found these crystals in one other location on Earth -- the Nevada testing grounds for atomic bombs.
The assumption was that Jehovah had used a sort of atomic fire to consume Elijah's sacrifice.
Can anyone validate this WTS article or reference the blue crystal quack?
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Beginning the road out.
by wozadummy inyes i'm new to this forum and i have been searching the net and reading with interest peoples comments here and on other sites.
as most know reaching out as a faithfull jw to others outside of the congregation is difficult at first ,as i guess we think anyone outside the congregation is wordly etc.
and we can't open up easily to "strangers" as jehovah would not approve.
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"wozadummy" apparently refers to the past tense.
Welcome to the board!
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THE CELESTIAL ORGANIZATION HAS MOVED AND WE ARE BEING LEFT BEHINDÂ…
by _Atlas inthe celestial organization has moved and we are being left behind.
first the awake was going to a monthly issue.. buildings are being sold.. then came the 2005 service report and the stagnating figures around the globe.. then we all heard about the 2,500 bethelites sent packing off brooklyn and the 1,000s on the international branches.. when i first read the news i though they were sending out 2,500+ new apostates to the street.. i started to wonder how will they both address the simplifications and cost cutting and urge the rank and file to do more without pulling the big armageddon card out, since this has backfired on multiple occasions.
downsizing and activity were mutually exclusive imho.. well they are certainly clever.
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"The celestial organization has moved forward and the earthly one has being left behind. The holy spirit sent these people out to be full time pioneers and participate more fully in the preaching work now that the times are really critical and the organization has some catch up to do."
I noticed that you put these words in quotes. Is this in print anywhere? What is the source?
The quote is a paraphrase from a popular email that circulated in early January 2006.
In fact even I received the email:
Bros VanDeWall, Jaracz, Pierce and Weaver gave a talk to the Bethelites after the Watchtower Study Monday night.
They wanted everyone to be there so they made an announcement ahead of time.
The emphasis is being put more on the field and they are going to start to drastically reduce the number of Bethelites.
Some will be sent to Gilead, some as sub CO's some as CO's. They asked them to please accept the assignment because it is as if it's a Bethel assignment. Some will be sent out as Special pioneers, some as foreign Bethelites but not as BIFS, permanent Bethel assignments.
The older ones too will be able to do telephone witnessing in Bethel and those who can will be going out in service one day a week. What a loving arrangement.
Sounds exciting!
Bro. Jaracz says now get a good nights rest and be ready to work tomorrow. Everyone laughed because they know they will be all night crying or thinking about the new arrangement.
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EMAIL DRIVE for AP Blood News
by Severus inemail drive
we are still working to collect email addresses of jehovah's witnesses and others who may be interested in the blood issue.. this is a means for there to be direct exposure for otherwise close-minded jws.
many are reading the ap new article in their paper.
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More shameless promoting.
Barbara Anderson's Endorsement:
While we wait for the release of "Big News" please consider this:
Severus's new thread suggesting "Big News Email Clearing House" is excellent. And here is what IT Support suggested on page 18 of the huge "Big News" thread:
"I'd like to suggest how each one of us can take an active part in publicizing BBN (Barbara's Big News)...
Someone mentioned early on in this thread (sorry, whoever you are, I couldn't face hunting through all the pages again to try to find who you are), that we need to prepare for the Big News. I totally agree with this comment, but how can we prepare?
Whatever the news is, we all want it to have maximum impact. To achieve that, we must publicize it as widely as possible. We can start NOW to compile a list of email addresses of people and organisations in our state / county / country who should be told about our Big News. -
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EMAIL DRIVE for AP Blood News
by Severus inemail drive
we are still working to collect email addresses of jehovah's witnesses and others who may be interested in the blood issue.. this is a means for there to be direct exposure for otherwise close-minded jws.
many are reading the ap new article in their paper.
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BTT
Many emails addresses coming in. Thanks!
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EMAIL DRIVE for AP Blood News
by Severus inemail drive
we are still working to collect email addresses of jehovah's witnesses and others who may be interested in the blood issue.. this is a means for there to be direct exposure for otherwise close-minded jws.
many are reading the ap new article in their paper.
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DaCheech: Regarding the confidentiality of the email drive:
When a list of emails are received at [email protected] all send information (your info and email address) is deleted - even from our records.
Your emails are not "forwarded" from this mail, thus exposing you as the source.
Each email address is copied into a list that contains only that email address (not previous sender or tag name).
When the mass email is sent, your recipient will not be able to tell who else got the email.
I hope that this amswers your concerns.
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Question for JWs still on the "inside":
by Hellrider injust a question: if you are still jws (for any reason, many just can`t leave because their entire families are wrapped around it, etc), but don`t believe in it, and lead a "double life", how do you cope with going door to door?
i just can`t imagine how it must feel like to go out there and try to tell people at the doors or in the streets things you know are just bs!
how do you deal with that?
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Infamous: You will learn to like me after the seventh book. Just as in dark child's tales, truth is always bound by deception.
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EMAIL DRIVE for AP Blood News
by Severus inemail drive
we are still working to collect email addresses of jehovah's witnesses and others who may be interested in the blood issue.. this is a means for there to be direct exposure for otherwise close-minded jws.
many are reading the ap new article in their paper.
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EMAIL DRIVE
We are still working to collect email addresses of Jehovah's Witnesses and others who may be interested in the blood issue.
This is a means for there to be direct exposure for otherwise close-minded JWs. Many are reading the AP new article in their paper. Others may ignore it, but email is just one more way to get the information to them.
Many of you have already sent blocks of contacts from your address book, or just one address of someone you care about. We have almost 500 addresses so far.
The recipients will receive the entire AP news article without further commentary (see below).
There is no way you will be tracked as the source of the email. To further protect you anonymity, sign up for a free Hotmail or Yahoo account and send the email addresses that way. Emails will be sent in a manner that does not reveal the other recipients.
We would like to send this message to correspond witht the NEW BLOOD LETTER that is to be read at congregations on the week of January 30:
Loving Provisions for Our Benefit. To be handled by an elder. Read and discuss the January 3, 2006 letter from the branch office to all congregations concerning ways to benefit from the activities of the Hospital Liason Commitee (HLC) and the Patient Visitation Group (PVG). -Our Kingdom Ministry, January 2006, page 2
Get the word out now.
Send email addresses to: [email protected]
What recipients will get:
RICHARD N. OSTLING
Associated PressNEW YORK - Jehovah's Witnesses are renowned for teaching that Jesus is not God and that the world as we know it will soon end. But another unusual belief causes even more entanglements - namely, that God forbids blood transfusions even when patients' lives are at stake.
The doctrine's importance will be underscored next week as elders who lead more than 98,000 congregations worldwide recite a new five-page blood directive from headquarters.
The tightly disciplined sect believes the Bible forbids transfusions, though specifics have gradually been eased over the years. Raymond Franz, a defector from the all-powerful Governing Body that sets policies for the faith, thinks leaders hesitate to go further for fear that total elimination of the ban would expose the organization to millions of dollars in legal liability over past medical cases.
The Witnesses have opposed transfusions of whole blood since 1945. A later pronouncement also barred transfusions of blood's "primary components," meaning red cells, white cells, platelets and plasma.
An announcement in 2000 in the official Watchtower magazine, however, said that because of ambiguity in the Bible, individuals are free to decide about therapies using the biological compounds that make up those four blood components, such as gamma globulin and clotting factors that counteract hemophilia.
Next week's directive could create confusion about these compounds, known as blood "fractions."
Without noting the 2000 change, the new directive tells parents to consider this: "Can any doctor or hospital give complete assurance that blood or blood fractions will not be used in treatment of a minor?"
Aside from the new directive, a footnote in the Witnesses' standard brochure, "How Can Blood Save Your Life?," mentions the 2000 article on fractions - but then omits its contents.
By coincidence, next week's directive follows some heavy criticism of the blood transfusion policy from attorney Kerry Louderback-Wood of Fort Myers, Fla., writing in the Journal of Church and State, published by Baylor University.
Louderback-Wood, who was raised a Witness but now has no religious affiliation, accuses her former faith of giving "inaccurate and possibly dishonest arguments" to believers facing crucial medical decisions.
Louderback-Wood complains that many Witnesses and physicians aren't given clear instruction about their faith's blood transfusion policy, particularly on the subject of fractions.
She's no disinterested bystander. The lawyer says her mother died from severe anemia in 2004 because local elders didn't realize hemoglobin is permitted.
Louderback-wood learned that hemoglobin was allowed from the Web site of Associated Jehovah's Witnesses for Reform on Blood, which was founded in 1997 by dissenting local elders, eight of whom served on Hospital Liaison Committees that advise Witnesses and physicians.
The founder of Associated Jehovah's Witnesses, speaking on condition of anonymity to protect his standing in a faith that does not tolerate dissent, says liaison committee members know about the revised teachings, but most Witnesses automatically refuse all forms of blood without consulting the committees. Physicians are often ill-informed about Witness beliefs, he says.
Louderback-Wood thinks the faith is subject to legal liability for misinforming adherents, which to her knowledge is an untested theory in U.S. courts. Related issues arise in a pending lawsuit in Calgary, Alberta, however, over the alleged "wrongful death" of teenage leukemia patient Bethany Hughes.
Witnesses headquarters refused an Associated Press request to interview an expert on blood beliefs. Instead, General Counsel Philip Brumley issued a prepared statement rejecting Louderback-Wood's "analysis and conclusions" in general.
"Any argument challenging the validity of this religious belief inappropriately trespasses into profoundly theological and doctrinal matters," Brumley stated.
The Watchtower's 1945 ban said "all worshippers of Jehovah who seek eternal life in his new world" must obey. Such edicts are regarded as divine law, since the Governing Body uniquely directs true believers. Violators risk ostracism by family and friends.
A subsequent Watchtower pronouncement forbade storage of a patient's own blood for later transfusion. In all, Associated Jehovah's Witnesses lists 20 shifts and refinements in blood-related rules over the years.
At the core of their blood beliefs, Witnesses cite Acts 15:29, where Jesus' apostles agreed that Gentile converts should "keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood." The Witnesses also cite passages in Genesis and Leviticus.
Judaism and Christianity have always understood these scriptures to ban blood-eating for nourishment. This underlies Judaism's kosher procedures to extract blood from meat, which Witnesses do not follow. Christianity eventually decided the rule was temporary.
Experts assume that Raymond Franz's late uncle, Frederick Franz, who served anonymously as the Witnesses' chief theologian, decided those passages cover blood transfusions. But Raymond Franz raises questions about the blood policy in his book "In Search of Christian Freedom." Among them:
-Why forbid a patient's own stored blood yet permit components derived from large amounts of donated and stored blood?
-Why allow organ transplants, which introduce far more foreign white blood cells than transfusions?
-The Witnesses forbid plasma, which is mostly water, but allow the components in it that provide therapy. So what's the point of banning plasma?
Advances in bloodless surgery have reduced medical dangers for Witnesses in the United States, but Associated Jehovah's Witnesses maintains the blood policy is a life-threatening problem elsewhere.
Louderback-Wood says she'll be contented if her protest saves one child's life.
ON THE NET
Witnesses' official brochure: http://www.watchtower.org/library/hb
Dissenters' data: http://www.ajwrb.org
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Symbolic generation. Does it extend batting time for WTBTS?
by Spectrum inbefore coming on this forum i didn't know that the jws had changed the generation definition from literal to symbolic and i obviously predicted that this religion will be finished when that last 1914 codger dies.
when i found out that they had changed their definition i thought, bloody hell this religion is going to go on forever.
then i thought that no, they are going to fade out, then i settled on, they are going to survive just like the catholics and orthodox.
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How Jehovah's Witnesses will be viewed in 100 years...