that people who discover the jehovah's witnesses and their watchtower bible and tract society are not nor ever have been approved by god to 'speak' for him and then leave the group are not going to be resurrected?
according to the bible everyone who has ever lived experiences a resurrection, so where does the wt 'no resurrection' teaching originate other than in the demented minds of the wt hierarchy?
When Paul said he was caught away into paradise he also said it was the Third Heaven, i.e. Highest Heaven to the Jews. He said paradise was the dwelling place of God. The word for paradise (Hebrew or Greek) is only used in four Scriptures in the entire NWT, and the bulk of their modern day doctrine is built around three of those.
AuldSoul
i came a cross this article....never heard of it before although i know now there was a primetime live that did a story about them.
it's sick to know.
i read more and it made me more angry.. and there are people here in the us that say racism isn't the way it was....idiots.. http://abcnews.go.com/primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1.
Farrakhan gave a speech in my home town (51% black population) entitled "God Damn the White Man!"
Replace "Black" with "White" and see if it is racist. Whatever the skin color and whatever the history, hate speech is hate speech. I feel no more comfortable walking down my street while holding my black wife's hand knowing there are members of Nation of Islam adherents in our town than I do knowing there is KKK in our town.
Miscegenation is one thing the Nation of Islam and KKK agree on. Race traitors should die. My spirit lives on. And hate speech is hate speech, no matter whose mouth it vomits from.
AuldSoul
i ran across this excerpt a long while ago from the world's last night, an essay by cs lewis about the apocalypse.
in it lewis gives a very interesting perspective on the concept of god's judgement.
it's very different from what jws and many christians (or other religions) think about judgement.
I enjoyed that. Thanks, bebu! (are you sure you're Pakistani?)
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which countries still charge for the literature, and what are the rates in usd?.
auldsoul
My folks contribute for their literature and then add anything the householders contribute. I have a hard time feeling any sympathy when they tell me they are short of cash. I was wondering whether it was a global donation arrangement now. Odd, they play up unity in every other respect but there was no unified change in this matter.
AuldSoul
hey all, i usually pop into my folks once a week so that my son can see his grandparents.
anyway last week my dad asked if i wanted to go to a country show\fete with them on sat , so anyway a couple of days later i emailed my mum to see whether my fiance (non jw) could come too.. this is the email i received today.
as you are going to be busy over the next few weeks, we dont want to put added pressure on you, dont feel you have to come to the show.plus we have already explained the situation regarding mike we dont have anything against him personally, but the situation is difficult for us regards associating with him as your fiance because it would be viewed as our supporting your decision to marry out of the truth.
LilyCurly,
Jesus was saying the true Christian would be persecuted by their family, not the other way around. That an elder uses that Scripture to justify disfellowshipping sickens me. It didn't have anything to do with disfellowshipping, apart from criticism of Judaic expulsion. Who did Jesus shun?
Matthew 10:32-39 32 — “Everyone, then, that confesses union with me before men, I will also confess union with him before my Father who is in the heavens; 33 but whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens. 34 Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. 36 Indeed, a man’s enemies will be persons of his own household. 37 He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me. 39 He that finds his soul will lose it, and he that loses his soul for my sake will find it.
AuldSoul
hi, i am a friend of dedpoet, i think he may have posted about me occasionally, and he has kindly allowed me to join the forum from his pc as i do not have internet access at home.
i have known trev (dedpoet) since he first joined the same congregation as me 14 years ago, and we have always been friends.
i was very sad when he left us some years ago, but have maintained contact with him, something that has got me in trouble with the elders just lately now he is disassociated.
Welcome! Abaddon makes a lot of good points. Ultimately, where your life goes from here is finally in your hands. But that is a scary proposition to think about because for 23 years you have had a structure and order that took care of most decision making for you.
Many of us have been there. Many of us are there right now. And many of us are on their way there. Ask for any support you feel you need.
AuldSoul
you've probably heard sentences that stuck with you.
quotes, one-liners.
you hear them and they make so much sense or touch you so personally at the time that they become part of you.
I was told this morning by an ex-elder, "Don't expect anything deep from me. I stopped doing that to myself, I won't go that road anymore. That almost took me out of the truth." So much for digging as for silver and hid treasures...
...if people will not reason they will not wake up.
AuldSoul
hey everyone i know its been a while since i posted but today i felt the need.just wanted to update you all on my position which is still brainwashed!i just dont know what to do i gain my strength to conquer this disease,(thats what i call being born in the org) from others like freedom lover who have come out of this religon free and clear i know its not easy but i know it can be done.i dont know why i just cant get over it and move on already,but theres thats piece of me that says,but what if?then im back, screwed and tatooed with jdub on my forehead,thinking that jehovah is upset and dissapointed with me and satan has me in his grasp.im stil sooo confused even with all the evidence pointing to they are full of crap!what if they arent?i just want to know the truth even if i dont choose to follow it,i want to know if jehovah is watching me torment myself every day,going back and forth and i cant take it anymore.then i think what if there is no jehovah?who the hell am i praying to with my daughter at night?
(the air mabe)you see my daughter still believes even though she is ready to celebrate halloween this year and yes we bought her a costume,cinderella!my mother comes and takes her every now and then only if i promise to go to some meetings and i did last weekend i attended the sunday meeting for once in a about 6 months!felt strange to be there but once again going to a different cong i got love bombed.btw i feel guilty and scared about having anything to do with halloween this year.yup still dealing with the guilt,fear,agony,of knowing and believing in the dubs,for so long now trying desperately to get out without feeling the way i do.i just dont know what to do anymore and its a shame because the dubs have sucked the life out of me(guess i didnt check my doubts soon enough).if i dont get off the fence soon im going to go nuts.i like believeing that satan doesnt even exist and that there is no heavenly org.gives me peace of mind that i can just live my life,if theres a god,fine,is it jehovah?thats where the conflict arises and i cant just go on with my life thinking jehovah has lost me to the other side!
!im not a lost cause yet guys.i need new light!
We ALL could use a good brain WASHING now and then.
Still highly controlled, afraid of, and motivated by the words of earthling men.
Could we all use a little of THAT every now and then, defd?
AuldSoul
i miss 2 days on here and feel like i'm completely out of the loop.
i've been really sick and in a rough state of mind with everything in my life going down the drain, but i'm hanging in there best i can.
i miss you all; hopefully tomorrow i'll feel a little better and will read and post some more.
(((Cygnus))) don't worry about dumping a foul mood on us. We can handle it and venting might help. PM me if you want to.
AuldSoul
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which countries still charge for the literature, and what are the rates in usd?.
auldsoul
Which countries still charge for the literature, and what are the rates in USD?
AuldSoul
