Posts by PoppyR

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If the momorial is over where you live... give us your experence.

by xjwms in

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we could hear of experences from around the world.

as they happen.....................................................

PoppyR

Just got back.

Actually took some advice from another post and decided instead of skulking about, to go in and out thrilled with life, So I dressed to the nines, walked in and smiled broadly, laughed with the brother on the door when he said "there's only odd ones left" meaning seats.. I just said "this hall was always full of odd ones". I just kept grinning to myself through the talk about all the old TIRED scriptures being read and missaplied and stuff I've read on here today about the 144,000 etc, then the end an EXCITING ANNOUNCEMENT.

I cursed myself because my heart actually skipped a beat until I remembered what their exciting announcements were like, and sure enough it was about a FREE home bible study!!!

After the memorial my mother came over and blocked my quick exit! I stayed for a few minutes and chatted and replied to people. One well meaning (read nosy, interfering) old sister asked me why I wasn't coming, and I just said the 'truth' had become a burden. And she said it was because I wasn't doing it right.. !

Finally escaped, and the blessing of the night, managed to speak to a girl I used to be so close to when we were teenagers, but she was DFed, she was standing outside and I was so pleased to have a few words with her and hope it's a friendship I can rekindle.

All in all, glad I went, really glad, I feel so much better about myself, so much clearer about that religion, and also can see why people hang on to it, they just have nothing else.

Poppy

15

advise: I just got a call

by rekless in

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my daughter from california called me and said my grand daughter from arkansa called her and no longer wants to be a jw, that she is a pot head and has a boy friend and wants to be emancipated and to top it all off she wanted to talk to her grand paw (me).

in her words, "i don't want to be a jehovah's witness and put up with that shit.

i don't beleive that shit.

PoppyR

I would say.. tread carefully, sounds like your grand daughter is 'troubled' and is turning to you because she views you as a rebel and that you will support her cause.

You might find yourself rejected once again.

That does sound very black, I hope that is not the case and you can re-establish relationships with your family and this is the door in. It sounds like you've had a tough time of it, and I hope it goes the way you want it to!

Poppy

23

Contact from my JW brother-in-law

by sass_my_frass in

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after my wedding i sent out an email to every non-witness i know and jw parents and a couple of siblings; the first group to stay in touch with old mates or turn near-strangers into friends in a time of needing them; the jw family group so that they'd know what's going on in our lives and how the wedding etc went and partly because i didn't want to be 'shunning' them; i wanted to be the one showing love and making an effort to maintain contact.

i sent another out recently, i figure i'll make it a biannual report on the life and times of the frass family.

it's nothing at all controversial, just a 'what we're up to' email.

PoppyR

I am very sorry for this, it must really hurt.

However you know by now that the love JWs have is based on conditions. You will probably not reach them in any way, I would be inclined to continue with the emails though, and just say you hope he'll change his mind.

I also feel non JWs have NO idea that we are treated in this way by our families and it's a great way to make sure they show no interest in the cult! Just forward the email on and ask if anyone else is 'offended' and apologise and ask if they would rather not be emailed either.

Also enjoy your new relationships. It's SO good to finally have some that are based on real love, real affection, and although it never quite replaces what you've lost with your family, its REAL.

I have few contacts and friends that are not witnesses, but they are individually worth 100 of each JW because I know they would have my back whatever I did.. if I made a dreadful mistake and went out and did the worst possible thing, they would support me because they love me. It's a good feeling. Remember that every time you look at your new husband, he loves you unconditionally. Enjoy!

Poppy

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Inactive people, who show up only for the memorial.

by free2beme in

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i have a friend who has been inactive as a witness for nearly six years.

yesterday i mentioned that i had wednesday off and wanted to see if they wanted to get something done wednesday, we had been trying to find time for, for awhile now.

out of the blue, they said "i can't, the memorial is wednesday.

PoppyR

The first couple of times going after fading out was tough. But I've since realized that since I no longer accept their authority or their beliefs I have nothing to fear. I walk in as if I've been at every meeting in the last five years and speak to everyone, have some good chats, carry on with some of the guys I knew before. Then I zone out for an hour, wake up in time to pass the wine/crackers and then go to dinner with family/friends. It puzzles the dubs to see me a happy, easy going guy instead of the miserable, guilt-ridden inactive person they expect to see. That's my passive-aggressive campaign against them. Show them that they don't affect me and that I'm happy and enjoying life. It bugs the shit out of 'em.

Some very interesting posts, loved this one! I dont think many understand, I am going to the memorial for my own reasons, not because I believe, not because I am afraid not to. It's pure and simple family that I dont want to lose. However my plan was to sneak in and sneak out, now I realise what I need to do is show them how happy I am since I've left, so I must suck it up and show them my smile. (a double vodka might help!)

Thanks for this, it's given me inspiration.

Poppy x

23

If the momorial is over where you live... give us your experence.

by xjwms in

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friends

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we could hear of experences from around the world.

as they happen.....................................................

PoppyR

Got mine in a few hours and dreading it. I have not stepped inside the KH for over 6 months, but my boys were pressured muchly by the family and my ex, so I decided in the end if they were going to go, I was going to take them.

Now I have serious regrets about that decision! My family offered to come and get me, but I know that was a ploy to get me there half an hour before and come away half an hour after!!

I intend to rush in about a minute to, and rush out immediately after!! Hopefully with the 100s of new ones there I wont be noticed.

Yes.. I do like my fantasy world!

Poppy

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Did Jehovah destroy millions with a flood in Noah's day?

by fish in

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jesus seemed to believe in the story of noah's flood.

i wonder if god really drowned millions of people like the bible says for simply eating and drinking and not taking any note?

PoppyR

Personally this was one bible myth that caused me to not believe, if God is supposedly love, then how and why would he kill all living things SLOWLY and torturously, including babies, toddlers, animals.. can you imagine animals madly swimming and slowly going under, for what reason???

I tried to present this fact to a witness who said to me (and I quote) "how can you say that, for all we know Jehovah put the animals to sleep first"

BLINDED!!!!

If God did this, then he does not love mankind, couldn't give a toss about the odd sparrow as the bible would have you believe and is basically cruel, malicious and a dictator.

Personally I am one of the ex JWs who now does NOT believe in this bible account, not sure if I believe anything else in the bible, or even in God anymore. All I do know, is if it was true, this is not a god I love and want to worship.

Incidentally why do we waste so much time on this board responding to Trolls who are just trying to get a response? Well.. I personally think they produce some of the best threads, because in producing responses we have here some brilliant, well thought out evidence and I for one have to say thanks to Mr Kim for being such an idiot, I didn't read most of his posts, but the replies.. excellent.

Poppy

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should I disassociate myself or wait to get disfellowshipped?

by Mrs.Congeniality in

my closes friend asked me today if her and her husband should just go ahead and write a letter of disassociation or wait to be df.

many months ago i talked with them about 607, etc.

all the things i was finding out.

PoppyR

I would much rather DA than be DFed, BUT I have lots of family still in 'the false'. The thing that I hate is I still read on this board that people have been out for years and are still looking over their shoulders to see if someone is watching them putting up christmas lights or even stepping inside a church.

I'm seperated from my ex, in theory if I remarried I could be DFed for adultery, as our divorce was not 'scriptural'. It all depends how eager the elders are to cut off the dead wood.

I can see the total freedom in DA, but it's a tough decision to make when you know it means losing most of the people in your life. I know a lot of people that have faded succesfully and yes many in the congregation still shun them. That much I'm not too worried about, but I know without a doubt my family would cut off all contact if I made my fade official.

What a horrible dillemma

Poppy

16

You take someone new to the memorial, and they make fun of it.

by free2beme in

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i remember one year i was in my late teens and living away from home and needed a ride to the memorial.

i was invited to go with a couple from the hall and on the way they picked up a bible study they invited, this bible study ended up being a person i worked with who i knew was studying.

we did the memorial thing, and dropped off the study and went home.

PoppyR

I always curled my toes at the memorial to see all the new ones and wonder what they were thinking, I once invited a friend from school, who was very polite but the whole way through I couldn't help thinking how whacky this all sounded from an outsiders perspective, of course now I AM an outsider it does sound totally whacky!!

Poppy

40

Another Elder bites the dust!!!!

by Lady Liberty in

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my sister and her husband finally told a elder friend of theirs why they have been absent from the meetings for all these months.

) our family has chosen to only use the 607 issue when dealing with the elders.

because it seems to be the only issue they cannot answer!

PoppyR

I had this very discussion with my ex yesterday, and was so frustrated that he was brushing it off as if it was unimportant.

I said if the GB had acknowledged their mistake when it came to light (back in the 80s!) then I could have gone with that, instead they disfellowshipped anyone who would not accept their point of view. .

He just said over and over "the congregation must be kept clean"!!

I also pointed out that if 1914 was not correct, then the GB could not claim to be the ones prophesied about, which undermines the whole organisation.. again, blank, brainwashed replies

I've asked several people to look at this issue, every single one has come back with the Watchtower answer to it which supposedly proves it! Can they not see, it proves nothing when an organisation says they are right because they SAY SO.. ok!!

It's just like banging your head against a wall, no matter how glaring the evidence they wont see it unless they are ready.

Poppy

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Is God capable of learning anything?

by nicolaou in

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what do you think?

PoppyR

Isn't this one a conundrum? Because if God is NOT capable of learning then it means he knows everything, therefore he knew in advance what mankind was going to do, what Satan was going to do, that he would have to sacrifice his son etc. To me this doesn't make sense, and I really dont buy into the JW thing of 'he chose not to see' That's utter rubbish.

If he is capable of learning then surely that implies that he is not omnipotent, that he can and did make mistakes..

Either way, I'm definitely getting to the stage where if I believe in god at all.. I dont like him!

Poppy