I am in agreement with steve2 above. Stear clear of religious groups. Nothing makes me sicker than hearing about an exJW that has "found Jesus." Once you start down the slippery slope of questioning, you find that the whole of religion, (except for maybe Budhism and some earth/tribal religions because they are so abstract and don't have any real doctrine, or authority structure and so many believe conflicting things about them being very vague as they tend to be) is all bullshit. In any case Christianity is full on crap from its mythological beginnings to its mythological end.
Even more shocking, I have found a Mormon on this discussion board!!!!! Maybe there is more than one, God forbid. I'm sorry, but if you are Mormon, you have no fucking business on this anti-cult discussion board!!! Can I get an Amen??? I mean, they believe a bi-polar dude from New York found gold plates (that of course no one else ever saw)... anyway, it's just too stupid for grown ups to even think about discussing. Santa Clause is more believable for Christ's sake. Just see the South Park episode. I believe that's a pretty accurate depiction of how idiotic, (dare I say even MORE idiotic than JWs? I dare) the Mormon ridiculous myth is.
With love and amazement at what grown people believe,
Shawn
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Worthwhile activities for new ex-jws
by thecarpenter inbefore i stopped going to jw meetings, i was slowly fading away from the organization.
my abrupt cessation of meetings after reading crisis of conscience sort of left me with large amounts of time on my hands.
although i had somewhat eased myself back it normal activities relatively fast, i realized that i had close to ideal circumstances to leave the organization (i had good friends who also left at the same time, non-witness family members, i don't run into witnesses that often if i am not going into the kingdom hall, etc...) .
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hey expioneers and exelders what goes on during......
by 5go inthe co visit during those meetings you guys go to.
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Stupid pointless bullshit.......
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Not talking about JW stuff has the opposite effect - regression phase
by truthseeker ini decided to take the advice of some of you here when i wrote about my situation.. i am married, but my wife is a die hard witness.
despite me showing her mountains of evidence and her actually accepting it, she is regressing back into jw think.. this has happened since i stopped mentioning anything anti-jw.. now she thinks that my problems with jw's were just a phase because i am not bringing up the issue anymore.. i really want to leave this religion, but i can't do that without losing her.. many here i know are trapped and some are still serving as elders.
i don't know how you do it, but i guess routine is routine.
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By continuing to go out in service and attend meetings you are giving her false hope. It's time to speed up your rate of fade. GO. LEAVE. STOP IT NOW. STOP PUSSYFOOTING AROUND, STAND UP AND HAVE SOME BALLS! STOP GOING TO MEETINGS. STOP> JUST STOP> NEVER GO AGAIN. You are sending a mixed message. If you realize the WTS is as evil as hopefully you do, then why do you continue sullying yourself. You are selling out because you can't even take the stand you want HER to take.
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My brother invited me in!
by Shawn10538 ini decided to surprise visit my brother (we used to be extremely close) on nyeve.
i brought a present for his kids which they were excited about.
i stood at the door a little uncomfortable for a few minutes and then i said,"dude, i just drove all the way up here on my motorcycle in the cold, aren't you going to ask me in?
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I decided to surprise visit my brother (we used to be extremely close) on NYEve. I brought a present for his kids which they were excited about. I stood at the door a little uncomfortable for a few minutes and then I said,"Dude, I just drove all the way up here on my motorcycle in the cold, aren't you going to ask me in?" He hesitated for a few seconds and then invited me in. We ended up talking and playing with his kids for about a half hour. Then he said that our sister and his wife were coming back soon and that I had to leave. I said that I wanted to see my sister, but then he said, "Do you really want to put her in that situation of being with a disfellowshipped person?" I said, " well let's let her decide," but he insisted almost frantically that I leave. As it was he was going to have to explain to his wife why he let me in. So I left. It was a good call to let it go I think. I am counting this as progress. Next year I am coming back with more gifts for everybody.
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YouTube: The Hopeful Atheist - On Happiness
by seattleniceguy inthis is a shameless plug for my new video, on happiness.
check it out!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=medpqmy90h0.
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Yes, very important for all us exJWs to remember. Especially us athiest exJWs. The anger factor can sometimes kill our credibility. Not so in the case of SNG though. thanks for that SNG Shawn
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Wisdom
by TheHypnoToad ina wise old gentleman retired and purchased a modest home near a junior high school.
he spent the first few weeks of his retirement in peace and contentment.
then a new school year began.
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As a teacher I can see the high level of psychology applied here!
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Ex-JW on YouTube
by seattleniceguy insome guy started a video gallery on youtube to talk about his experiences coming out of the jws.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqfll5q6c3c.
sng.
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I was just trying to make sense of that post, I'm not saying I didn't like your video. Actually it's a great idea. Shawn
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Ex-JW on YouTube
by seattleniceguy insome guy started a video gallery on youtube to talk about his experiences coming out of the jws.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqfll5q6c3c.
sng.
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I am not ready to join that forum with my email address and information- because I belong with that religion that won't let contradictory evidence be examined, nor will it allow me to look at the recorded words (books, video) of former members such as yourself. ?
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Please contribute. Children in divided homes.....
by jambon1 in..............i am specifically refering to those raised in the truth by both parents and then one parent leaves.
firstly, any experiences of those who went through this would be appreciated.. mainly, i am just wondering what is the best way to influence your children against the jw mindset.
it is a concern to me that my children grow up believing some of the doctrines of the wts.
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Education EDUCATION EDUCATION. Get them involved in preschool, after school activities, lots of "worldly" friends. As they grow expose them to critical thinking skills. Teach them how to identify logical fallacies. Teach them about the real history of the Watchtower and what makes them a destructive cult and false prophets. Go to court and prevent your spouse from teaching them about religion. Make Birthdays a big deal as well a XMas and the other Holidays. Make sure they play little league. Make sure they are normal kids all around. Make sure your mate doesn't expose the kids to the loaded black and white language of the WTS. Be aware of the metaphors your husband uses about good people and bad people. He'll classify you as a bad person if you are not on top of things. Don't rely on his good will. He is very motivated. He thinks his kids will die if they are not in the truth. He can and will lie to "protect" them. A court order will probably be necessary. Shawn
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I feel uncomforatable when my children ask about God....
by flip4diz ini don't know what to say.. for some background: .
i have been out for 10 years.
it was the birth of my son, who just turned 11 ... that brought me out.
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I'm in agreement with "Poppers" above on the belief thing. I think we all need to just lose that word completely. The problem with the word belief is the direction of movement. It is flowing from you toward the thing believed in. It's like you are throwing rocks at the thing you say you believe in. I like the term "currently convinced of" or "I am currently a percentage convinced" because these terms indicate that you are merely the receiver of the information and are not projecting out anything at the thing in question. The second one is especially appropriate because only a fool would say that of all the things they believe in, they are believed in 100%, or all the same percentage. Some things we have more evidence for than others. Unfortunately, we have no direct evidence of God. We have evidence of stuff he MAY have built, but that does not justify being 100% convinced of God. There's too many explanations that leave God out for that to be the case. The only thing that belongs in the 100% column, unfortunately is, Descartes' "I think therefore I am." Everything else in the universe has less than 100% likelihood of existing. I know that I exist because I am thinking, but I don't know that I am not dreaming, or that I am not in the Matrix or that I am not under some spell from some demon. There are a few other things that may be 100%. Mostly it's in the area of math. According to Descartes, even in a dream, 2+2=4. So you can add some mathematical facts to your 100% convinced column because they are provable. All inductive reasoning should be right at 50% believable, so you should have no strong opinions about things that are "proven" by inductive reasoning. Most religious arguments are based solely on inductive reasoning, and when they are not, they are based on questionable premises. Even if you see and talk to God, that is still not 100% proof that God exists, because, you could be hallucinating. If someone else claims to see God or be from God, the chances are even less and your percentage of being convinced should drop dramatically. Doesn't that make sense? So, when Jesus claimed to be God's son, or God, should you put 100% of your belief in that? No. Even with a ton of evidence, that should only bring you up to maybe 75% convinced. Even if you were there and you saw him lifeted up into the clouds, that should only take you to 99% convinced, leaving room for hallucinations amd dreams etc. What effect should that have on your life? Humble, it should make you humble. You should not feel your religious convictions are the right one and others' are wrong. You wouldn't kill anybody for their beliefs, you wouldn't tell anybody that they will burn in hell if they don't accept some stupid gift and proclaim Jesus as their personal lord and savior. You would be extremely skeptical of everything you hear, and not be black and white about what you are convinced about but you would assign percentages of belief to each thing so that with each thing that you believe in, you simultaneously admit that you might be wrong. Anything else is just arrogance. remember, if God exists, He made it impossible to prove that he exists, and what would that tell you about God and what would it tell you about your world and life to know that you can't even prove your own mother exists. That makes you yourself a god and creator of your life. You begin to take responsibility for what happens in it, because you are the center of the universe and everything else is subbordinate. God made it that way by making it impossible to prove anything else. Not that you should ignore other beings. For even if they are imagined, they affect you. You must care for your children, husbands, wives etc. I would love to hear responses. Shawn