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My Story

by DaveNwisconsin in

i wanted to share with people my story about the witnesses.

when i was five my mother had been searching for a new religion.

she was brought up catholic and didn't understand the church.

Super_Becka

Thank you for your story, Dave. My condolences on the loss of your mother, it must be hard for you.

we bury the dead, not just Catholic dead

That's so beautiful, to see that the priest sees all people as equals, regardless of their religious affiliation. If only the JWs could see things that way.

I know that God loves them as he loves all of his people. No one is in his bad eye for being another kind of faith. God is love and that is love for all.

So true. I am glad that you have found peace with God and your beliefs, and I am glad that you have found tolerance and love for everyone, regardless of their faith.

I wish you all the best.

-Becka :)

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jw's & Christmas cookies

by carla in

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friends

due to my jw eating most of the christmas cookies and having to remake many, many batches, people ask me how it's ok for a jw to eat christmas cookies considering how they feel about christmas.

i don't know how to answer other than , 'i guess they pick and choose what's ok'.

how do they justify eating christmas cookies?

Super_Becka

If a JW takes Christmas cookies at work before Christmas and no one knows they are a JW or no JW sees them, that is okay.

Heh, I'm guessing the same thing goes for a big Christmas dinner at work, too, right??

My JW boyfriend worked the night of Christmas Eve (he works all night-shifts), and his place of work provided all of the employees with a big Christmas dinner (turkey, ham, all the fixings), and he had no qualms about eating it, enjoying it and then telling me about it, even though he turns up his nose at the fact that I enjoyed Christmas dinner with my family. He probably even went home and bragged to his brother about it (his brother is staying with him until he gets his own apartment). Oh, the hypocrisy of it all.

It was the same way at Thanksgiving, too - he refused to acknowledge that it was Thanksgiving and all of that, because he's "a Witness" and it's "against his religion", but he freely stuffed himself at the Thanksgiving dinner that his place of work provided on Thanksgiving night.

Sorry, but the more I read about JWs and their rules, the less sense it all makes to me.

-Becka :)

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For those with bf or gf who are JW's: How the JW view non JW's

by Check_Your_Premises in

this thread is a quick primer for those who are fairly unfamiliar with the jw, but have found that they are dating someone who is or used to be a jw.

well just to give you a little background on how jw's view the rest of the non-jw world: they basically see you as a bug.

you are worldly and certain to bring their loved one death at the hands of god at armageddon.

Super_Becka

jgnat, I feel very comfortable coming here for information and advice, I don't think I've ever felt as accepted as I do here. I'm still sorting things out with my relationship right now, but I know that as I think about things and have more questions and requests for information, I'm always free to come here for the answers, or at least some good advice.

I'm actually kinda addicted to this forum now, I have to come visit it a couple of times a day. It is normal to plan one's life around an online forum??

I love that quote about giving advice, too, it's so fitting and appropriate.

And for anyone else here wondering if they can get the advice and information they need, this is the place to be!!

-Becka :)

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Keep doing this in remembrance of me

by totalee in

why is it ok to celebrate a wedding anniversary but not a birthday?

i can understand christmas, easter, halloween and valentines day but birthdays, thanksgiving, mother's day and father's day don't have religious or murderous origins.

also, at the last supper, jesus told his disciples to "keep doing this in remembrance of me".

Super_Becka

Heh, you're not the only one that doesn't understand any of this stuff, I can't figure it out, either. Anniversaries are OK, but birthdays (which are just anniversaries of a birth) aren't, and the same goes for any and all Christian holidays. Let's face it, whether they have strict Biblical origins or not, Christmas and Easter are both anniversaries of specific Biblical events - the birth of Christ, the Saviour, and his death and resurrection. Anniversaries, they're all anniversaries.

And the whole "bread and wine" thing confuses the hell out of me. Not only do they only do it once a year, but only certain people are allowed to do it. I don't know about anyone else here, but in my church (I'm Anglican), anyone who's confirmed can partake in the Holy Communion (bread and wine) and it happens weekly. "Do this in remembrance of me", we do that every week and everyone's allowed to participate.

I know the JW arguments against holidays and birthdays, but what are the arguments for only allowing certain people to partake in the bread and wine??

-Becka :)

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How much written in this Forum can be believed?

by Spectrum in

jw
friends

i want to turn this forum on its head for this thread.

i'm here on this forum to find as many truths as is possible relating to jwism.

i'm not really here to stick the boot in although once in a while my emotions might get the better of me.

Super_Becka

Well, I'm guessing that the reality of some of the posts here is based on personal experiences, and everyone's personal experiences are different. Not everyone behaves in the same way everywhere, so some events may have happened in some places but not in others.

I can give a few of my personal experiences, but I can't be sure of how universal they are. The JWs I've met are actually really nice people who are just like anyone else out there. They never once talked down to me or treated me like an inferior. But then again, we didn't talk religion, so I don't know how that would work out. I know that my JW boyfriend is the sweetest man on the face of the planet, he's everything a girl could ever ask for, but if I bring up religion, he closes up and gets all defensive. He even looks down on my favourite things, like birthday parties and Christmas (which he called "christmas silliness" and "some silly holiday"). But at least he doesn't tell me that I'm wrong all the time.

But here on this forum, I've been verbally attacked for my beliefs by a JW poster. He called me a "tree-worshipping, protestant pagan" because I celebrate Christmas (and other holidays). I haven't met a JW in person who behaves like this, but I've come into contact with one here at JWD.

Are all JWs like the ones I've been in contact with?? Probably not. I wouldn't call any of the posts here "slander", I'd call them all unique experiences. The JWs I know are inactive and not too involved with the WTS, though they still believe in the doctrines, but that's not to say that other people don't know ardent JWs who will stop at nothing to discredit other beliefs without ever examining their own.

Just like everyone else, JWs are different everywhere, and so are their families and congregations and the extent of their involvement. Just because you, personally, have never experienced any of the awful things that people post here doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, it just doesn't happen in your area or has never happened to you.

I'm sure there are people here with ulterior motives who just want to make JWs look bad, but I believe that most people here are sincere in their posts. I know I always am.

Just my two cents.

-Becka :)

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Why would a current JW choose to be rude and offensive?

by AlmostAtheist in

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friends

i've recently had lengthy pm discussions with a person claiming to be a current jw.

this person has been above the standard level of arrogant for a jw, raising conceit to practically a defining characteristic.

you almost expect that when you're dealing with a member of the "elite".. but he goes beyond it.

Super_Becka

Ahh yes, I'm a mere non-JW with no Biblical training or anything like that, but I managed to get myself into a small war of words with a "current JW" on this forum, too. (Maybe it was the same JW you mention, AA??) And the funniest thing is, that I just asked him a simple question and requested a simple response and he proceeded to treat me like a sack of dog-s#!t. Classy, real classy. I don't know how these arrogant JWs can expect people to listen to them, believe them and follow them when they treat all of us "unbelievers" like unworthy scum. Whatever happened to, "Do onto others as you would like them to do onto you"??

My personal conclusion on why they behave like that is that they're afraid. They're afraid to find out that the WTS has been lying to them. They're afraid to admit that maybe, just maybe, the beliefs of others might have some merit. They're afraid to admit that maybe they're wrong or inaccurate in some things. And they're afraid to take another look at their belief system, just in case it all crumbles, not to mention the whole disfellowshipping bit. After all, they're so brainwashed in WTS teachings that if they lost all of that, they wouldn't know what to do with themselves. What would they have left?? They'd have to start over, filled with doubts, and that can't be a pleasant prospect.

To me, their arrogance and holier-than-thou behaviour is just a defence mechanism.

I even had another poster PM me to apologize for how I was treated by the aforementioned "current JW" poster, which was really nice, I appreciate knowing that not everyone here is an arrogant jacka$$. I know not to take insults and intolerance from JWs personally, I'm secure in my beliefs and I'm not afraid to question them, and I feel sorry for the JWs out there who don't have the freedom to do that.

-Becka :)

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My website: www.reexamine.org

by reexaminer in

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friends

greetings.. i have started a project that i hope will stay online for times indefinate, even to times indefinate.

you can find it at www.reexamine.org .. i started working on it in october and it is still a work in progress, however because of the shut down of the website located at http://quotes.watchtower.ca i felt that i should release the site in "as-is" condition, instead of waiting until it was completely finished.. currently, there isn't a lot of content in the 'wiki' section of the website.

hopefully in the next few days and weeks that will change, however there are still programming issues that i have to work out before that can happen.

Super_Becka

Awesome site!! Great news about the location, too - the WTS can't do anything about it if it's hosted in China!!

Lots of great information on the site, it's great for us non-JWs who want and need the information but don't have any other way to get it. Hell, I haven't even seen a JW going door-to-door here in years!! Not to mention that the local KH is always deserted, ALWAYS. This site is exactly what people like me need to learn more about what the JWs believe, in their own words, and how they like to use circular reasoning and lies to back up what they say. Evidence is so much more damning when it comes right from the horse's mouth.

Great work!! Thanks a million!!

-Becka :)

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For those with bf or gf who are JW's: How the JW view non JW's

by Check_Your_Premises in

this thread is a quick primer for those who are fairly unfamiliar with the jw, but have found that they are dating someone who is or used to be a jw.

well just to give you a little background on how jw's view the rest of the non-jw world: they basically see you as a bug.

you are worldly and certain to bring their loved one death at the hands of god at armageddon.

Super_Becka

Thanks for the advice, C_Y_P, all of us non-JWs who are stubbornly clinging onto our relationships with our JW bfs/gfs really appreciate all of the information and cautions. Granted, we'll probably keep holding on to our JWs, at least for now, but we definitely appreciate the heads-up.

Just because we're not following all of the advice given, or at least not yet, doesn't mean that we're not carefully considering and contemplating all that's being said. This forum has the best advice and warnings that anyone who's involved with a JW could ever ask for. Thanks!! Keep the advice coming, everyone!!

-Becka :)

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Starting a collection of the Inexplicable JW Doctrines...

by AuldSoul in

i am starting a collection of jw doctrines and practices that have no basis in the scriptures and (preferably) that the scriptures or secular history directly contradicts.

this isn''t a thread for arguing with scholar is he drops by.

i want as comprehensive a set as possible as part of a project i am working on, so even if you aren't sure of one, please toss it in the mix.

Super_Becka

Good thread, this should be very interesting. And very useful, too, I'm looking to take a closer look at the WTS's inexplicable doctrines, too, so I'll definitely be frequenting this thread to see what everyone comes up with.

Also, good request as to keeping arguments off of this thread, it's easier to get the basics without a bunch of posters trying to argue the correctness or incorrectness of the suggestions posted.

Nice work, AuldSoul!!

-Becka :)

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Wow, new website! Pay Attention book, WT 2004 CD, Quotes all online

by kwintestal in

auld soul posted about a mirror site at www.reexamine.org/quotes/index.htm and so i checked it out.

i went onto the homepage www.reexamine.org and surfed around a bit and clicked onto the "community portal" and found a download section: .

http://www.reexamine.org/index.php/reexamine:community_portal:publication_downloads:secret_publications .

Super_Becka

Umm, am I the only person having trouble with the WT Library ISO file??

I've tried unzipping it and installing it on my harddrive, which worked except that it tells me that the files, etc., needed to run WT Lib 2004 aren't available. I tried using a program from the link Trace provided to put the ISO file on a CD and run it from there, but that doesn't work either.

Can someone help me out here?? I'm itching to take a look at this, especially after reading the disclaimer that says that the library is for personal use only and is not permitted to be used in schools, etc. (ooo, places of independent thinking, students would see right through the rhetoric!!), so does anyone have any tips for getting this to work?? Sorry guys, I'm a moron, use layman's terms, please!! Thanks!!

And thanks to the original poster for getting this link up for us, I downloaded the files and I'm gonna have a field day picking this stuff apart. Awesome work!!

-Becka :)

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