Posts by enlightenedcynic

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Where is the love?

by sweet tee in

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jw's are taught that their love is what identifies them as true christians.

but typing on another thread let me to this discovery:.

what i expected from witness friends and what i expect from my friends now are totally different.

enlightenedcynic

I remember a CO giving a part at a program a few years back where he said that 'the worst JW was better than the best worldly person.'

As all of the previous posts have mentioned, there is no true love among dubs, it is conditional love....love that can and will be turned off at a moments notice. For one reason only I still attend meetings, that's because my wife and other close relatives are still blinded. When I go to meetings it makes me sick physically to see the hypocrisy, lack of warmth and lack of kindness exhibited by many at the KH. People will walk past you and not speak, once they have determined that you are not spiritually strong or are not anyone of consequence. Gatherings get held and the same individuals get invited over and over.....so much for "widening out".

Where is the love? Not at the KH!!!

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Did anything violent happen at the KH or Bookstudy when you were a JW?

by booker-t in

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friends

i will never forget when i was a jw and was attending the bookstudy on a mon night a man broke into the bookstudy which was in the elder's garage and pulled out a gun.

he shot the father of the jw teenage girl he was secretly dating.

apparently the girl's father had forbidden her to date this non-jw man in his 40's.

enlightenedcynic

Hi Everyone:

Two incidents happened in my hall involving sisters.

1. Two blood-related sisters who were also baptized, had a nasty arguement at their home before coming to meeting one Sunday. Seems that they didn't air everything out enough at home because when they got to the hall, during wt study, everyone hears a commotion from the rear of the hall. I turn around and see the two sisters duking it out on the floor. The younger sister had a handful of her older sister's hair and was giving her the ole 'one-two'. The older sister was desperately trying to get up off the floor. After about a minute, the elders and a few ms stepped in and broke it up but not before a bunch of coats and hangers ended up on the floor because in their struggling, the two sisters knocked down the coat racks. No one fell asleep at that wt study!!!

2. Courtesy of a good friend who was there. Sister # 1 approaches Sister # 2 and says to her that she has heard some comments that sister # 2 has made about sister # 1's child. Sister # 2 says yeah, whatever..you are crazy and need help. Sister # 1 says I'll show you crazy, b**** and proceeds to move toward Sister # 2. My friend steps between them but not b4 a couple of slaps are landed and a bunch of screamin' could be heard. Where did this 'lovely' event take place? In the women's bathroom of the KH!!! Now that's what I call true Christian love at work....can't you just feel it?

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WT's Strong Hold on the In-active

by sandy in

ok, this past friday i organized a meetup for ex-witnesses in my local area.

i invited my brother who was never baptized (was almost baptized at 13 but one of the elders asked him to wait till he studied throught he second book).

after the elder asked him to wait he never attended the meetings again with the exception of memorials and some assemblies.

enlightenedcynic

Hello all,

I personally believe that the water used in the baptism pools at assemblies/conventions should be checked. Maybe they add a little somthin' somthin'. I was playing ball at the park back in the summer and ran into a brother I hadn't seen for a while. He was hesitant to talk and when I further inquired he told me he had been df'd. I guess he thought the conversation would end there, but I assured him that I valued his friendship and that I just wanted to talk. I told him that now was the perfect time to explore his options and look and see if there was something more that he wanted to do with his life. I also encouraged him to do some research into the society's background. The ex-bro stops me right there, tells me that he got df'd for fornication and that the girl was pregnant, but......that he knew that this was the "truth" and was determined to come back. He then said that he didn't like the tone of my conversation and wanted to know whether I had been doing enough personal study? I wanted to say " Man, F U!!!!", but I remained calm, not wanting him to feel that he had gained some victory. Told him to take care and left. Sad, very sad, but par for the course.

EC

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Headcoverings, Goals & Women's Roles

by Black Man in

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friends

i have always felt that requiring sisters to wear headcoverings was assinine.

jehovah won't strike you down for not wearing a headcovering".

word gets back to the co on his next visit that i don't let sisters wear headcoverings at the bookstudy when they read and he reams me out for it.

enlightenedcynic

Hello All,

Black Man, my brudda, I feel your pain.

Just wondering though, does a sister have to wear a head covering just when she is offering prayer or when she is carrying out any duty that a brother would normally take care of? As I stated in a previous post, I know of a cong in NY where sisters are working behind the literature and magazine counters. There are "qualified" brothers available, however the elder body seems to be on a mission to break these men down. I guess the point I am trying to make is, for an organization that is so much about presentation, how can it be that sisters must cover their heads when offering prayer(usually only for cong book study or home bible study), but in a more visible situation, such as at the KH sisters can carry out ministerial duties without a head covering? Is it just me, or does this smack of hypocrisy and stupidity?

EC

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Will the new system be uncrowded?

by M.J. in

i was talking to an elder yesterday about how enjoyable it is to get away from civilization in remote wilderness areas, unlike the circus you see at places like yosemite natl.

park in california.

with dreamy eyes he mentioned how great it will be in the "new system", when "we can enjoy uncrowded conditions.".

enlightenedcynic

There's no need to fear...the "faithful and discreet slave" has it all figured out.

From the 8/8/1983 Awake entitled "Population control and World Government"

Almighty God as Creator brought into existence the first human pair. Therefore, Jehovah as supreme King displays loving interest in mankind and in solving their problems. One step he will take in this regard is ridding the earth of every government that exploits and menaces his honest-hearted children. (Daniel 2:44) In this way the natural resources of the entire earth can be used, aiding all of mankind, because God’s Kingdom will allow no self-interest groups in His worldwide family.—Isaiah 11:3-5; compare 65:21, 22.

How long will it be before mankind sees these benefits? It will be soon. The catastrophic events beginning with World War I and the threatening phenomena of this century are convincing evidence. Sincere Bible students see in these events the nearness of their deliverance by means of the Kingdom.—Luke 21:10, 11, 25-28.

Then overpopulation will not be a problem. Why? Because God’s original purpose for the earth will be fulfilled. The Bible clearly tells us: "Further, God blessed them and God said to them: ‘Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.’"—Genesis 1:28.

Note the divine mandate is to fill, not overflow, the earth. The earth is destined to be comfortably filled with mankind in proportion to its capacity for food production, ecological balance and reasonable population density. It is reasonable to conclude that when that point is reached the Creator of the human procreative power will regulate its use as far as the earth is concerned.

Then obedient and grateful mankind will be willing to cooperate with whatever new requirements may be expressed. (Compare Revelation 20:12.) There will be no population explosion to threaten mankind’s future existence. Only by God’s wisdom, as expressed through his Kingdom, can such a transformation be satisfactorily accomplished so that this earth will remain a beautiful "jewel in space."—Isaiah 55:8-11; Romans 16:27.

See...so everything is gonna be just fine!!! Since in their own words, no "self-interest groups" will be allowed, that rules out the entire WTS.

EC

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January 15 WT : Beware of Apostasy

by truthseeker in

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friends

hi all, this post comes from the e-watchman site, when i get the mags, i will post further.. http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=433.

the following is taken from the watchtower of january 15, 2006, page 23 under the heading 'resist the foremost apostate': .

'because of listening to the devil and not rejecting his lies, the first human pair apostatized.

enlightenedcynic

Hey Truthseeker,

Nice post and I couldn't agree with you more. The internet is the society's worse enemy and they are doing everything they can to demonize it so that the rank and file will stay as far away from it as possible. My wife refuses to "surf" the web because the slave says "true" Christians, "mature" Christians, don't search aimlessly on the internet for information. I have tried on several occasions to reason with her and help her to see that there is nothing wrong with doing research on the background of the Watchtower, even printed out some information that consisted of only quotes from older WT literature. Of course, she refused to read it. To sum it all up.....most of us who visit this site and others like it have already decided that we are not going to have our every action and thought controlled by the society. Those who decide to stop coming here likely are not ready to make such a decision.

EC

126

Let's play a game - Follow the WTS $$ trail

by watch the tower in

a huge question that i have in the back of my mind regarding the wts is where all of the money ends up.

no one really has a conclusive answer to that.

i think it would reveal a lot if we were able to find out.. i know there have been various threads in the past where it revealed a clue here and a clue there.

enlightenedcynic

Thanks for all the info Atlantis, you are right on.

I just attended a "special day" assembly on Saturday. Same ole' recycled crap. Anyway to the good part. When the time came for the account servant to give his report, I said to myself, "here we go" and sure enough only $6500.00 had been donated to that point and of course with all of the "work and planning" that goes into the program, there was a deficit of about $8000.00 because total expenditures amounted to over $14,000.00. Could someone tell me how a one day assembly could possibly cost almost $15,000.00 to run?

Oh yeah, the account servant says, "It's now 3 p.m., that leaves us about an hour and a half to square things up." Us?.......no, I'll leave it to the other 1,199 drones to take care of that. And of course, everyone chuckles and laughs.

What a total load of b_ _ _ _ _ _ _!

EC

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Do you think that JW's leaders are going to announce a new date in 2006?

by booker-t in

i was reading a thread here the other and it mentioned that the assembly for 2006 will be "delivance at hand".

is this going to be like 1974 when every jw's thought the end was going to come in 1975?

i don't think jw's leaders would be that stupid again and build jw's for another date-setting letdown.

enlightenedcynic

The borg will try something, you can bet on it. Morale is at an all-time low, people are leaving in droves(mostly through fading away) and the rank and file friends are not putting in enough hours in the ministry. Expect some pronouncement that will serve as an attempt to re-energize the brothers and sisters.

EC

30

Did you hear about the congregation where.........

by enlightenedcynic in

jw
friends

i am new to the board and am looking forward to many insightful discussions here.. a good friend of mine attends a congregation where sisters are working behind both the literature and magazine counters.

the brothers who were handling those responsibilities were removed because in the elder body's opinion, none of them were "exemplerary".police officer explained that save for the elders and a few of the ministerial servants, none of the men in the congregation were meeting the national average in field service time, so for the foreseeable future, "exemplerary".

the irony here though is that the same men who are unfit to handle the literature and magazine counters are qualified to offer opening and closing prayer for meetings and do reading for the watchtower study.

enlightenedcynic

Annie

The KH is located in good ole Brooklyn, NY.

EC

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Did you hear about the congregation where.........

by enlightenedcynic in

jw
friends

i am new to the board and am looking forward to many insightful discussions here.. a good friend of mine attends a congregation where sisters are working behind both the literature and magazine counters.

the brothers who were handling those responsibilities were removed because in the elder body's opinion, none of them were "exemplerary".police officer explained that save for the elders and a few of the ministerial servants, none of the men in the congregation were meeting the national average in field service time, so for the foreseeable future, "exemplerary".

the irony here though is that the same men who are unfit to handle the literature and magazine counters are qualified to offer opening and closing prayer for meetings and do reading for the watchtower study.

enlightenedcynic

Hello All,

I am new to the board and am looking forward to many insightful discussions here.

A good friend of mine attends a congregation where sisters are working behind both the literature and magazine counters. The brothers who were handling those responsibilities were removed because in the elder body's opinion, none of them were "exemplerary". In a service meeting part, the congregation's police officer explained that save for the elders and a few of the ministerial servants, none of the men in the congregation were meeting the national average in field service time, so for the foreseeable future, "exemplerary" sisters would be assuming the duties behind the counters. Talk about emasculating the men!!!

The irony here though is that the same men who are unfit to handle the literature and magazine counters are qualified to offer opening and closing prayer for meetings and do reading for the Watchtower study. What is wrong with this picture? Oh yeah, and supposedly the CO is all for this arrangement. Anybody ever hear of such nonsense?

EC