same here ... I honestly don't know. But then the pressure was too much ... if they didn't require of you so much then I guess it would not have mattered for me. I just could not take it no mo.
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The Matrix
by The ini'm sure some of you have thought about this before.... i've been thinking... you know the part in the matrix where neo is offered the red pill or the blue... well you can see where im getting.. inside the org most of the brothers and sisters are oblivious to the .
real truth.. .
if you had the chance not to know the real truth .. would u stay that way ?
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A few questions for the JW folks monitoring the site...feel free to add...
by WLG ini cant help but wonder how it all works on the back end.
do you guys just kinda poke around looking for whats up with the evil apostates from time to time or is it a constant thing?
what i really wonder is how you rotate it around so none of the people checking on us get stumbled?
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I imagine the board monitors for the society have to be cokebottle glasses wearin, nerdy, mindless little bastards with no backbone type of guys,....and who wear their pants up high and have cameltoes......or else they would lose monitors to the heathen apostate bastards on JWD
HOLY CRAP!!!Were you at Bethel?? I knew of one cokebottle glasses wearing, nerdy, mindless TALL bastard who's assignment was to surf the internet for JW related items.
This bastard had no personality man. Yo dude. Yeah you, I know you are reading this ... start thinking for yourself. The society has given you the ticket out ... just tell 'em you could not defend the undenfendable thanks to them.
The only other department in Bethel that would monitor the net (that i know of) is the Department of Public Information (which use to be called Department of Public Information (aka: jwmedia.org - but the G.B. decided that the name was too worldy ... bastards).
Also, the Writing Deparment surfs the net for WT NEWS related info.
All the internet computers that are tied to the Society are filtered/logged... so if you set off an alarm ... you will be called in to testify. Sucks eh? They freakin' control your thinking. Reminds me of the movie "The Island" - I said, damm!!! That was me!!!
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RICHIE RED ALERT
by RichieRich ini was on the phone speaking with verne thoren, presiding overseer of the willow springs, nc congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
he tells me he knows of my possesssion of the flock book.
he knows of my involvement on this site.
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Wrong? Right? In who's eyes???? This is undebatable.
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So the elders will probably want it back right? Ok. Richie says he will try. Thus he says, it's not obtainable. Now what? What is the books value?
for all it's worth ... IMHO just give them the book back ... it's not worth the trouble ... you and JWD got what we wanted out of it ...
or maybe they could care less about the book.
Richie, do they want to the book back or what? and Would you be able to get it back???
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Intro
by mavie inhello from mavie.
currently happily married for a number of years to a great jw wife, i currently serve as an ms in our local kh.
my wife and i have been told we are pillars in the congregation.
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hi mavie
take your time with all of the information you find here. It took me (x elder x bethelite) quite a while to get use to the information on here. But anyway, glad you found your way here.
Bethel itself has cases of mental illness within itself. They are hush hush for obvious reasons. Honestly, they have improved over the years. Before they would say you were demonized or you did something evil. Now they have (in writing at least) admitted that it may be due to a medical issue. Usually old school elders do not understand and especially if they have not dealt with these issues.
your 1st responsibility is your wife, as they say, Jah provides, Jah will provide the needed help in the congo. ALL THE ELDERS ARE SEEING IS THAT THEY WILL HAVE MORE WORK TO DO ...or at least finding someone to fill your shoes.
when i stepped down, wow, it was a load off, preparing for all the talks in the hall is a major stressor, thus my health was declining
and now I feel much better!!!!
WAC - xElder xBethelite
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RICHIE RED ALERT
by RichieRich ini was on the phone speaking with verne thoren, presiding overseer of the willow springs, nc congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
he tells me he knows of my possesssion of the flock book.
he knows of my involvement on this site.
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tell'm u put $ in contribution box to cover the costs of a new flock book ... and give the elders a time slip dated with 1914 1925 1975 2006 and for 1 book placement.
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by Mx inhi all i'm mx!
i'm 17 i've been raised a jw and lived a very sheltered life.
i've been baptized for three years now and been a doubter for two and a half years; i think i might leave "the org" in an year or two.
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you have chosen wisely
Many people throughout human existence have questioned and enquired. Most of them have not been scientists or doctors or philosophers, but simply ordinary people asking 'what if?' or 'why?' Asking these questions ultimately leads us to a choice. Do you continue to ask and investigate, or do you stop and never ask again?
and welcome MX!
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RICHIE RED ALERT
by RichieRich ini was on the phone speaking with verne thoren, presiding overseer of the willow springs, nc congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
he tells me he knows of my possesssion of the flock book.
he knows of my involvement on this site.
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richie ... i hope the best for youso what were the elders doing on an apostate website? the society is clear on this issue ... HIT THEM! HIT THEM HARD!!! Turn the case around!!!! bastards!
He minimized such, telling me that 9098 views (the number of views on the thread regarding my acquistion of the flock book) was minimal in comparison with nearly 7 biilion people on this earth.
What the hell does that have to do with anything? stupid reasoning of course. rather that would equal over 100 hundred congregations at 80 pub each. fool. that can be a frekin circuit assembly -
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Another Newbie
by Priest73 inout since 98. i've posted once or twice, but mostly lurk.
i figured it was time to introduce myself.
maybe if i've feeling the 'love' =-) i'll share my story...
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Funerals: GB vs. Publisher diff - Memorial Talk for W. Lloyd Barry
by What-A-Coincidence inhow a funeral talk differs from a gb to a regular pub... or you can talk about the comments made about l. barry.
in 1952 he was appointed as branch overseer, and served there until he was invited to serve on the governing body in .
" this was very true of bro.
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How a funeral talk differs from a GB to a regular pub... or you can talk about the comments made about l. barry.
Memorial Talk for W. Lloyd Barry
John Barr
Tied in with US complexes, Branch
It touches our hearts to see so many gathered for this memorial. It is an evidence of how many loved and respected Brother and Sister Barry. It reminds me of the words of Peter at 1Peter to "have love for the whole association of brothers.” What a comfort it is to Melba and Lloyd’s sister Janet, here from , to feel your warm love and affection.
Three months ago Lloyd wrote a touching letter to a dear friend who had lost his wife. He quoted two scriptures that were his favorite in times of bereavement. I will quote the first now. Romans 14:8 tells us "for both if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. Therefore both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah." How those words reflect Bro. Barry’s strong love for his brothers. It shows the strong faith and conviction he had for God’s Word. He knew he belonged to Jehovah. When he died on Friday July 2, at 82 years of age he had “lived to Jehovah” for over 70 years.
In his life’s story that was printed in the WT it tells us that he was born in , and added “I grew up to love the Bible, and with it the Watchtower magazine, which made a great impression on my youthful mind. Even at ten years of age, I could get a lot out of The Watchtower.” Little did he know how closely in the future he would be working with that magazine. In 1936 he was baptized, went to Australia Bethel in 1939, and in 1942 he married “a lassie as Australian as her name Melba .” She served alongside him for 57 years. She no doubt played a tremendous part in helping him to have such an energetic share in leading a vigorous theocratic life. He treasured having Melba by his side and phoned her each morning and afternoon to see if she was all right.
He has also left two sisters, Janet and Ramala, and two nephews in . These two sisters were very faithful, and cared for their aging parents, allowing Lloyd and Melba to continue in full time service. As was stated, that service started in the Australia Bethel in 1939. Under ban during WWII, he played a vital part in the fight for true worship. He was a real fighter, and could tell stories about that time. Many were serious, but some were hilarious! In 1948 the Barrys graduated from the 11 th class of , in the same class as my wife [Mildred]. While waiting for his visa for his foreign assignment, he served in the circuit work in with Bro. Barber as D.O. On they landed in . Their first assignment in that country was in . At just about every home a Bible study was accepted. Some people were just interested in learning Western culture, but the real sheep were sorted out. In 1952 he was appointed as Branch Overseer, and served there until he was invited to serve on the Governing Body in . Since then, Bro. Barry was instrumental in starting the 1 st Japanese congregation in NYC. Now there are 3 congregations. Until his death, Bro. Barry served as an elder and WT study conductor in the Manhattan Japanese congregation.
Bro. Barry’s most recent assignments here have been with Publishing and Writing Committees. From sitting around the table with him, I can say he added tremendously to the discussions because of his understanding of the missionary field, and experience in the Zone and Branch work. Especially in Writing he will be missed. Solomon’s words at Ecclesiastes 7:1 tells us that "a name is better than good oil, and the day of death than the day of one's being born." This was very true of Bro. Barry.
Those who worked closely with Bro. Barry had these things to say about him: “He had a kind, loving heart, deep devotion to Jehovah, as well as a deep affection for God’s people. He had a readiness to consider scriptural issues, was open minded, and was eager to analyze issues from different perspectives. He had good judgement, was a decisive man, yet approachable. Whoever came to his office, he would greet them, “Come in, dear brother.” He expressed confidence in those who assisted him. It was a privilege to serve under him. He was a fine combination of compassion and firmness. He was approachable. In 74 years, he was the best overseer I ever had. He will be sorely missed.”
What a fine name he left behind! It is good to spend time thinking of the qualities he displayed, and to learn from them. The daily text for last Sunday referred to Hebrews 13:7 which says, "Remember those who are taking the lead among YOU, who have spoken the word of God to YOU, and as YOU contemplate how [their] conduct turns out imitate [their] faith." This makes us think of our brother we loved so much.
As he spent more years in his Japanese assignment than any other, I will quote from a letter from that Branch to the Governing Body: “Brother Lloyd Barry has meant so much to us. Even after leaving , we felt close to Lloyd and Melba because of the love they felt for the brothers in . He was hard working, loyal and full of faith. He was a wonderful example to follow, and loved his assignment. We are all sad that we no longer will work and live together. But, he has now received a marvelous reward for his conquering spirit.”
What reward is that? In his life story he spoke of the “treasures of Bible understanding have been brought forth through The Watchtower”. One treasure is the Truth, and the provision of the ransom. Jesus stated this at Matt 20:28, "Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many." Primarily the Son of Man provided the ransom for the little flock. They are begotten by God’s spirit, and they know in themselves that they are Sons of God. As Paul put it at 1Co ,23 "For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. But each one in his own rank: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence." Jesus spoke about this reward at John 14:1-3 when he said, “In the house of my Father there are many abodes. Otherwise, I would have told YOU, because I am going my way to prepare a place for YOU. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for YOU, I am coming again and will receive YOU home to myself, that where I am YOU also may be." Our dear Lloyd Barry had that firm hope in his heart, of one day being in that heavenly home. We often spoke of it together. Imagine living with Christ, along with 144,000 immortal humans bought from the earth! Rev 20:6 tells us that "Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years." It does us good to think of this aspect. Just think: During the 1,000 year reign, to be able to share in the wonderful work of resurrecting millions and to share in overseeing education in the truth that leads to everlasting life. And to experience it from the heavenly perspective! All of this is bound up in this marvelous reward spoken about in . "And I heard a voice out of heaven say: "Write: Happy are the dead who die in union with [the] Lord from this time onward. Yes, says the spirit, let them rest from their labors, for the things they did go right with them." Yes, the works of righteousness continue right on. We are grateful that Bro. Barry proved his loyalty up to his last talk in , entitled “Fighters Against God Will Not Prevail.” This was appropriate due to his nature and what he often talked about.
We are happy to think that a large number are listening in , including many faithful old-time missionaries. Because of Bro. Barry’s love for the Japanese brothers, Sister Barry thought it would be good to have a few words directed to them in the Japanese language. Br. James Mantz will do so at this time. (gives short talk in Japanese)
I mentioned earlier that in the letter of comfort Lloyd wrote he had two favorite scriptures. The second is 2Corinthians1:3,4. Here Paul wrote, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those in any sort of tribulation through the comfort with which we ourselves are being comforted by God." Our loving God has given us so much comfort. At a time like this, we know what a tremendous comfort it is. It is fitting to mention Bro. Barry’s last words in his life story, “What a wonderful heritage is the pioneer service! There are lots of ups and downs, but how kindly does Jehovah help us “up” again from the “downs.” Oh, that all of us may continue this service faithfully forever, by Jehovah’s undeserved kindness as expressed through his Son, Christ Jesus!”
May we each prove faithful, as did our dear brother.
Viv Mouritz, who has known and worked with Bro. Barry for many years, will offer prayer.
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One of them JW Funerals
by mbn36 ina couple of months ago i attended a funeral with my wife at the local kingdom hall for my uncle.
its the 1st funeral i've been to and 1st kingdom hall in 5 years.
i was a jw for 17 years and now i'm a chrisitan.
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