so next week i have the talk " how should we respond to people who say we are false prophets?".
anyone have any suggestions?.
One point that Billy made I think needs to be put in your talk in some way, And that is the point that the WT blamed the r&f for believing the WT on 1975. If you could somehow slip that in even in passing it would probably make a lot of folks take notice. If you are asked afterwords about it you only need to refer them to the publications leading to 1975 and then the articles stating that it was the r&f fault.
Good luck, and please let us know how it goes.
i have finally finished an article outlining the deceptive way in which the watchtower presents its anti-trinitarian information.
any constructive criticism such as regarding errors that may have crept in is welcome.
since i cannot embed a page i hope entering the html code works, otherwise it can be read at http://jwfacts.com/index_files/trinity.htm.
Very nice job JWFacts, presented extreemely well - Thanks
Jringe01 - As has been said this was a presentation/discussion of the WT deception in presenting their material, and the Trinity was just the example JWFacts used to illustrate it. However your first post quoted some scriptures, yet your second post in responce to someone said we don't know what the writers were really thinking so we can't really determine what they meant. How do the two posts follow each other?
Not trying to argue but just want to understand.
Thanks
i know this subject is touchy, and i dont want to stir feathers.....but with my most recent convo with my mom and her "anointed" husband, they dont have as much of a problem with me discrediting the society as i do, as they do with the fact that i'm gay.
as he puts it....ignore the society and what they teach....go to the bible...so i asked him what about david and jonathans relationship, how can you prove they didnt have a sexual love for eachother and he says...'amanda, do you think they were bum holing eachother?'.
well when you put it that way i dont know, but that has nothing to do with the fact that most gay relationships have nothing to do with the actual act of sex, they have to do with the love two people share, cause they can't share it with someone else.. his response was simpathetic, and cause of my abusive past, that is what they blame it on........if i wasnt abused i wouldnt be gay.
I don't have any scriptures for you but that is not your only recource. First I wonder what your father would say if you did "Prove that what you were doing was not wrong". Would he accept it, if he did they he would have a problem with the WT. Would he be ready for that?
How long do you think he is going to be ok with your disagreements/problems with the WT? Could it be thet he is so confident in the WT and his anointing they he can answer all your doubts and get you to come back? I'm sure your parents love you very much so cherrish that.
I'm not sure where it is or the exact wording but the bible does mention something about if you violate your own conscience that is a sin. Maybe someone can help find that scripture. If it is found then you could tell your folks that it would violate you conscience to hide your true feelings about your lifestyle.
Hope it all resolves itself and you ens up happy!
i used to play the guitar quite a bit but haven't practiced seriously for quite a few years (and left my guitar in the uk when we moved over here).. yesterday i decided i should get myself a guitar again so i popped into a music store and had a strum on a few.. the ovation guitars seemed really nice and not too expensive.
does anyone have one or have any experience of them?
i would love the electic one they do that can also sound acoustic but can't really justify spending so much so would probably get a regular wood / round-backed one.. thanks.
Hello Simon,
As some have mentioned the round back takes some getting used to, and the composite body has a different sound that a wood body. I don't care for them but that is just me I have some friends that swear by them. Ovation is a nice guitar but there are some others you may want to look at as well.
Depending on your budget Taylor is one of the best for sound, quality, and playability. but they will also set you back mega bucks. Takamine guitars are great, and play very nicely, as well as being quite affordable. Martins are nice sounding but to me they don't play as nicely as a Taylor and they too are pricey. Gibson Hummingbird is nice but again expencive. Alverez also makes some very nice yot affordable guitars.
Mainly it depends on two things your budget and what you feel comfortable playing.
My choices would be; Top of the line - Taylor, or Affordable - Takamine.
But if you like the Ovation then that is what you should get, as i said they do make a great guitar. As long as you play it does not mater what you play.
how many here have been asked the loyalty question by an elder.
i am referring to, "do you believe that jehovah is using the faithful and discreet slave class to accomplish his work?
" or something along this line?.
I was asked that question by a JC. I did not answer it so I was told that they would treat my non-answer as a no. They then say that since I answered no that I would be concidered to have DA myself. My reply was "I did not answer with a no and I am not DA myself. If you say or infer that I did you will be guilty of lying." I also said that "You said a prayer at the start of this meeting and asked Jehovah for his blessing, now your telling me you plan to lie about what was or wasn't said? Do you really serve a God who would support that and give you his blessing to tell lies? The God of the Bible can not lie, and his enemy Satan is the father of the lie, so when you tell these lies who will you be serving?"
Well, I do not know what they actually did as they never talked to me again and I have recieved many conflicting messages about what they announced. My wife came home from a meeting two weeks later and told me they read my letter to the cong. I asked "what letter?" She said "The letter you sent to DA yourself." I said " I did not send a letter and if they said I did they are lying" Her reply was that elders don't lie. - (How do you argue with that)
I asked if they said I was DA or DF she said no they said you were no longer a JW. Others have said that I was DF'ed, some said DA'ed and a few have said there was never any mention one way or another. Me I don't give a rats butt.
well, nah, because jesus attended a wedding reception and provided kick a$$ wine.
but, modern day jw's are all about removing anything fun from life, so they should consider it for this reason alone.
one more fun thing bites the dust.
I pointed this out to an Elder years ago that the reception, ring, kiss etc were all of pagan origins, and then asked 'If they are allowed then why not birthdays?" - I was told that God instituted weddings so it is ok, and he mentioned that Jeses went to a wedding. My reply was did not God institute birth? And if we did not have birth then we would not have weddings.
ok - so after a few threads in the last few days i started listening to some of my old music.
some artists just have voices that are hauntingly beautiful and stick with you forever.
for me - the top three are.
Judy Garland, was always awesome. Loreena McKennitt, Natalie Merchant, and Charlotte Church come to mind.
my wife planned to get her two-hours of service time on saturday - like we did every month.
two hours.
well, yesterday she came home early with sad news.
My parents were married for 40 yesrs and when my mother died of cancer my father, who is an elder, was naturally upset. Yet when he was crying in our own home, the PO did say to him that he needs to show more "respect for Jehovah's resurection promise, and be stronger and more supportive of the congregation." Later in private my father would want to cry but would fight his emptions for fear that the "Brothers and Sisters might be stumbled if they say him cry."
I know that everyone does show grief in their own way, however sometimes the reactions of some folks are just not natural. (I know that is a subjective term). The PO mentioned above had a young child, a toddler, and the PO was at home one day and had the child in his care. They had a pool and the child fell in and drowned. The congregation was all sad as you can imagine and for months the mother was a mess. My son was a bit younger that theirs and she got a lot of comfort ant the meetings holding him. Anyway, the father did not seem to care because not two days after the boy drowned and a day befor ethe funeral he went to play and sing with some orter brothers in a local club. And at the funeral was seemed more concerned with why more folks did not go watch them play.
I am an entertainer and I still find this is taking "the show must go" on a bit too far. Especially since he was just jamming with the band as he was not "in the band".
Maybe it was his way of dealing with his loss, but the whole thing did not feel right.
during the pasr 5 months i have been attending seminars for work, and going to different churches to see .
and there is one thing that stands out.
the microphones used at the kingdom halls.
If the speaker could adjust the mic themselves then they may feel like they are in control of the part, and the WT can't have that. Also as fern said other pastors are animated, the WT wants the focus to be on the poison being servrd up not on the speaker. Remember the speaker is just a "good for nothing slave" unless it is a GB member.
they don't really have the truth so it can't be that?
unless "they" at the top truly believe it - do you think they do?.
is it for monetary gain?
Sweetstuff is right on the money- A large majority of people just abdocate their responsibilities in the hopes that they will not be held accountable for their own actions or inactions. They don't vote or they let someone else tell them who to vote for. Then it is not their fault if the choice was a bad one. They don't think for themselves about religious matters and just fall back on well me Pastor/Perachor/Elder said this or that so that is what I believe. Again thinking all the while that, if they are wrong it is not their fault.
Fools, all of them fools!
