judge rules church property subject to bankruptcy settlement
by william mccall .
ap business writer .
"Chip-away, chip-away, chip-away" goes the ability of a church to hide behind the 1st amendment.
see "Jehovah's Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the Tort of MIsrepresentation" The day of this thing winning is getting closer.
http://www3.baylor.edu/Church_State/ordering_publications.htm
we all remember one of the arguments the society used to make christmas look bad.. they said christendom at this time of the year, see's jesus as a little baby in a manger (nativity scene), rather than the king in heaven he now is.
that's a lie.. ask any christian on this planet if they think jesus at this time is a little baby in a manger.
if he was, then mary is back on earth taking care of him and herod is out looking to kill him.
Help!
I remember the WTS teaching that the shepards would not have been out in the snow/cold, and that was proof that Jesus was not born in December. I saw Bethleham on the news the other night, and it looked cool but it was not a scene from Antartica either. I also remember reading somewhere that at the time of Christ's birth that each town had to keep a small flock nearby the town to feed the people. Remember, there were no grocery stores or refrigeration in those days. Does anyone have more information on this? Please post & send me a personal message.
Thanks,
Skeeter1
i to am new to the post.
i was brought up a jw and left basically when i was 17 with no word.
my parents went back and forth to the hall.
Forgive your mother, she is brainwashed and knows not what she does.
Skeeter1
p.s. If you live in North Georgia, please, please, please go to North Point Community Church. It's about 13,000+ members. You will not be "fresh meat" and no one would even know you. There are no "crosses" in the building, and you will be very comfortable there. The main speaker, Andy Stanley, is refreshing. The church's message is about building a reasonable, loving, and forgiving relationship with God. It helped me get out of the JWs, and I encourage it to all. http://www.northpoint.org/ The Society teaches you a conditional love with Jehovah. If you go out in service 10 hours a week or do X,Y, and Z, then you are in Jehovah's graces. It's about doing, doing, doing, and not about relationships, relaxing, and enjoying God. I find that my family members who are still JWs treat me according to what I "do" for them and not for "who" I really am. As long as I "do" what they want, they loved me. If I don't "do" what they want, then the cold shoulder comes my way. What I am trying to say is that how we view God determines how we treat each other. Your mother has learned to model her relationships with you, as the Society has modeled Jehovah towards the JWs. It's an unforgiving, fear based "relationship."
jehovahs wittnesses have the truth there is no doubt about i.people can say what they like ut there is no other group of people who bring glory to jehovah
As Hitler once said, "The Bigger the Lie, the more people will believe it." There are about 6,000,000 who believe the Society's many, many lies. Including 1975, UN, abstain from blood (yet take hemoglobin and all other fractions), don't go to college, don't get married, don't get vaccinated, don't vote....
Skeeter1
could it be that the wts actually thinks it can win this war?
i mean, they are forcing sites to close down, suing the people that run them etc.
i wonder if this is the way they want to "handle" the internet problem.
The WTS will NOT win the internet war.
WTS thrives on misinformation - whether its blood, UN, or child abuse. In 1975, 1985, and even 1995, the Internet was not an information powerhouse. Today, the Internet = easy information. For the WTS to survive, they will have to start telling the real truth. Otherwise, more and more followers fill find sites like this and leave.
The Internet is also a great tool for us "apostates" to talk. Our right to free speech is somthing the WTS can NOT stop. The WTS can also not stop our using the Internet to make "fair use" of the Society's literature.
Skeeter1
blood and the wts blunder machine.
since the inception of its infamous blood doctrine prohibiting jehovahs witnesses from accept blood products under pain of punitive congregational repercussion the wts has meticulously avoided use of the term transfusion in relation to any blood-based therapy permitted to jehovahs witnesses under its doctrine.
as the wts current blood doctrine has developed through the decades it has had to take ever increasing pains to avoid using the term transfusion in relation to blood and blood-based therapies jehovahs witnesses can accept because the wts has over the same period allowed more and more in the way of use of blood under its infamous doctrine.
The WTS are semantics wordsmiths. Whether they choose to call it current therapy or a transfusion, it is the same thing.
" What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet; " William Shakespeare
Skeeter1
looking for some backup here..... i'm pretty new here, so let me give a quickie cliffsnote version of my situation.
my dh was raised a jw but hasn't attended a meeting since he started college (5 years ago).
he despised meetings and slept or doodled in his wt through at least 99% of them.
Kerry Louderback-Wood just wrote an entire article showing how 18 quotes in the Society's book "How Can Blood Save Your Life?" was absolutely wrong...including the blood sausage quote you wanted. Go to
http://www3.baylor.edu/Church_State/ordering_publications.htm and order a copy for about $5. It will open your friend's eyes.
"Jehovah's Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the Tort of Misrepresentation"
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i might go over to my parents for a few hours, have dinner there, then come back here at my apartment in the evening and have a few beers and chips while i post.. i bought a christmas present for my cat...... new brand of high quality cat food which she tried and she loves..... http://www.royalcanin.ca/products/fn/indoor/mature_en.php.
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Drinking egg nog adn watching a John Wayne movie. How sad.
i first noticed that no scriptural discussion of the choice is made, so it all appears to be solely the decision of the signatory.. when choosing alternatives of treatment, the witless merely initials his choice under clauses 3 and 4. since this simply indicates choice, full signature and witness are not required.. .
now clause 6:.
"i consent to my medical records ands the details of my condition being shared with the emergency contact below (cong secretary recommended) and/or with member(s) of the hospital liaison committee for jehovah's witnesses.. .
I've been away on vacation for this past week...wow. Run cold doesn't cut it. Try my blood runs like ice.
note: the catholic molestation cases have mostly been evaluated under employment law theories not the tort of misrepresentation or under non-fraud related tort claims]; fails to address important legal considerations such as standing and statute of limitations; and finally and most importantly, the essay fails to address in any meaningful way the inevitable constitutional arguments that would be raised by opposing (watchtower) counsel.
supreme court justices do not have the time to browse through law journals and the implication that they would be interested in an essay is even more deceptive.
the society does not cite a 1960 study as evidence that blood transfusions are hazardous.. here is the actual quotation in context:.
THe above post from Molko....for some reason the entire facts did not post through. There is something wrong with the cut & paste on this server or on my computer. But, the above should give you plenty to read....
